Action Request (Eistee von Aldi)

Your Steam Name: pixeltheman
Your Roleplay Name: Martin Burton
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:97949552

Player's Steam Name: Eistee von Aldi
Player's Roleplay Name: Omar Abu-Almani
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:590796330

Why should this player be punished?: The player failed to comply with police orders while arrested and ignored roleplay instructions from police officers. Refusing to return stolen items after being revived in such a situation is a clear breach of server rules regarding fearRP, powergaming, and roleplay compliance.

I was mugged in Tidals 201 by the reported player. During the mugging I was tied up, and police eventually arrived on the scene. They engaged and killed him. After being revived, he refused to return the stolen items despite being under direct lawful order by police.

Note, when the arresting officer attempted to roleplay the recovery of the stolen items using a /me, the reported player refused to comply with the roleplay even though the police found me in zipties, were informed of what was taken, and attempted to recover the items properly.

I have acquired the POV of the arresting officer OOC and provided it here as evidence

Any more evidence will be provided as needed

Details have been discussed with @mocho in an in-game F6 and I have sent over the gameplay demos in question.

List of stolen items:
Evidence Link: https://streamable.com/gtywtx

The clip is way too short to support all the claims. Orders from the officer were not direct or lawful. I was NOT informed of what was taken at the time of the clip they did not attempted to recover the items properly.

I don't care about the items, they have no real value I only stole them for illegal activity points. The problem was that the officer just walked up seconds after I got revived and threatened staff action in LOOC before trying to powergame his friends items back.

The /me was too dumb and powergamey for me to even be able to comply with it. Ignoring policy or anything like that, he just attempted to return items without even knowing what they are.

Does he expect me to remember exactly what I stole? I just clicked everything fast to get org points and then watched 3 tiktoks on redscreen, my memory is mush.

The actual list of items (a screenshot taken while zip-tied) was only provided, once the supervisor was there, who literally told the officer he can't take items only based on victim testimony and to just arrest me for 9.5 and that was it.

Involved (I was the arresting officer), when the victim was revived down stairs I asked if they were okay and if they had been mugged (ziptied), to which they confirmed, and had stated they had a cooker and something else stolen, to which I presumed would be it, after searching the victim as you can see in the clip was not much on him, the person who mugged the other guy had 2x phones etc, to which I told the person, I am going to uncuff you and you are going to return the stolen items, to which they started trying to tell me to stop power gaming etc and refused the /me takes stolen items - Carried on just saying a bunch of crap to how I can't do this and can't prove anything was taken etc before proceeding to try and get me into trouble for not breaching the property which I am physically unable to do without a warrant.

Not once did the person say that they had forgotten what they had stolen, as I was still under the assumption that they had known what they had stolen and was just outright refusing to comply with /me. We were also all under the assumption that you can't use pictures as evidence to help get round the guesswork involved, which we now know, that you can.

The SGT involved got confirmation via the admin chat that we were allowed to do /me in order to get the items back etc but a bank robbery occurred so we had to leave it and take the person in and respond bank.

exrobite said:

I have concerns regarding the evidence used to discern what was stolen and what wasn't. What in-character evidence existed that identified which items the accused had on their person were stolen?

@iiTzWasParsnip as the officer on scene you should know more than anyone else.

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I mean it was evident that items were stolen, at a minimum it was a smart phone and a life alert, then everything else that was stolen which was quite a long list as you could see. The problem here isn't what was deemed stolen and what wasn't, it was the outright refusal to give any of the items back in the first place. At the end of the day, he needs to comply with the /me otherwise all muggings are deemed "Nothing we can do about it" as the person could just say "oh yeah I like to carry two smartphones on me". The person who was mugged and the person who did the mugging obviously didn't know what they had taken/lost which is why pictures can be used to help this, which was used later on although we didn't think it could be used.

I never really got a comprehensive list of the items (other than the picture) and before all this I believed it was 1 or 2 things, so i believed the raider had known what he had taken and was just refusing to comply and give the stolen items back.

Honestly, you might just be better of requesting a demo from one of us, I also believe the person broke 2.5/3.4, by using the zip tied person as body shield, before shooting them instead of shooting at me when I pushed in, clearly intending to kill the person. I might be wrong as my clip doesn't go that far back but that is what I believe happened.

iiTzWasParsnip said:

I never really got a comprehensive list of the items (other than the picture) and before all this I believed it was 1 or 2 things, so i believed the raider had known what he had taken and was just refusing to comply and give the stolen items back.

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This is what the AR is about. No I did not remember, and that is not how /me's work, thats just incredibly lazy

iiTzWasParsnip said:

Honestly, you might just be better of requesting a demo from one of us, I also believe the person broke 2.5/3.4, by using the zip tied person as body shield, before shooting them instead of shooting at me when I pushed in, clearly intending to kill the person. I might be wrong as my clip doesn't go that far back but that is what I believe happened.

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It is not really fair to throw random accusations around and demand staff look at demos for that, it is a lot of work to go through a demo and they are not reliable or quick, they crash when you try go backwards, most of the time using ticks dont work and it takes at least 10 minutes of fast forwarding, if the thing you want to see happens at the end of a 1 hour demo.

What you should do next time is go to your own demo and make a clip.

Eistee von Aldi said:

This is what the AR is about. No I did not remember, and that is not how /me's work, thats just incredibly lazy


It is not really fair to throw random accusations around and demand staff look at demos for that, it is a lot of work to go through a demo and they are not reliable or quick, they crash when you try go backwards, most of the time using ticks dont work and it takes at least 10 minutes of fast forwarding, if the thing you want to see happens at the end of a 1 hour demo.

What you should do next time is go to your own demo and make a clip.

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Thank you - My POV wouldn't have helped for this as on my screen you didn't turn at all and just looked like you were executing your hostage who you were using as a body shield lmao