12.4 Addition: Parking

[DeadTetris]

Law Reform Suggestion: Prevent Duplicate Parking Tickets For Same Offense (12.4)

After serving a 10 year prison sentence i returned to find my car had received a parking ticket. Fair enough i paid it assuming the car was in the process of being towed. Five minutes later i received another ticket for the same violation despite having already paid the first one.
This feels less like law enforcement and more like caveman logic

Lets be real you shouldnt be penalized twice for the same offense. The idea that "you should have moved the car first" doesnt hold up when:

• You've paid the fine
• You physically cant move the car (Its either already hooked to a tow truck or you're in jail, or far away taking time to reach)
• Theres no legal warning that paying the ticket doesnt "clear" you of further punishment

Suggestion
Add something in the police database where the officer can see if the person has recently received a ticket and the location, to avoid multiple tickets for the same offense within a short timeframe unless the car has been moved and re-parked in violation of 12.4

Right now the system punishes acknowledgment of guilt with more punishment. One parking offense, one ticket

 

[Goose.]

Law Reform Suggestion: Prevent Duplicate Parking Tickets For Same Offense (12.4)

After serving a 10 year prison sentence i returned to find my car had received a parking ticket. Fair enough i paid it assuming the car was in the process of being towed. Five minutes later i received another ticket for the same violation despite having already paid the first one.
This feels less like law enforcement and more like caveman logic

Lets be real you shouldnt be penalized twice for the same offense. The idea that "you should have moved the car first" doesnt hold up when:

• You've paid the fine
• You physically cant move the car (Its either already hooked to a tow truck or you're in jail, or far away taking time to reach)
• Theres no legal warning that paying the ticket doesnt "clear" you of further punishment

Suggestion
Add something in the police database where the officer can see if the person has recently received a ticket and the location, to avoid multiple tickets for the same offense within a short timeframe unless the car has been moved and re-parked in violation of 12.4

Right now the system punishes acknowledgment of guilt with more punishment. One parking offense, one ticket

Officers can check if the car has been recently ticketed, just generally they aren’t bothered or newer officers don’t know how to. (They also aren’t expected to check as why pay the ticket and not move your vehicle?) In my opinion, just don’t pay the ticket until you’re able to move your car. In real life you are able to be double ticketed, it makes sense for it to happen in perp too.

 

[Acerius]

I appreciate the sentiment behind the suggestion but is this a widespread issue?

As Goose alluded to, I feel like most people wait until they actually go to move/drive their vehicle before paying the fine, as there's no penalty for not paying it. If someone then tries to ticket the vehicle again before you've paid the original fine they won't be able to.

 

[lencz]

You could simply prevent this by not paying the ticket. You are not restricted by the ticket unless you need to drive the car, in which case you can move it.

You paying the ticket, gives police a sign you acknowledged the illegally parked car and are not doing anything about it.

 

[DeadTetris]

Officers can check if the car has been recently ticketed, just generally they aren’t bothered or newer officers don’t know how to. (They also aren’t expected to check as why pay the ticket and not move your vehicle?) In my opinion, just don’t pay the ticket until you’re able to move your car. In real life you are able to be double ticketed, it makes sense for it to happen in perp too.

I dont know how it is in other countries but here in Norway you cant be punished twice for the same offense that includes parking tickets only thing they can do if you dont pay your ticket is come and get your car towed however you cant get ticketed several times for the same offense

 

[Riggs]

You can only be given another ticket after you paid the first one. as Lencz siad you know its illegally parked. paid it and refused to move it. thus you should be ticketed again. if the vehicle is clamped or hooked to a tow truck officers should not be issuing the ticket. if they do make an IA.

 

[Goose.]

I dont know how it is in other countries but here in Norway you cant be punished twice for the same offense that includes parking tickets only thing they can do if you dont pay your ticket is come and get your car towed however you cant get ticketed several times for the same offense

Where I live it generally works as follows:

If you are illegally parked they can ticket you. If you stay illegally parked for an extended duration of time eg. a few days later they can ticket you again.

As Lencz has said you paying the ticket is acknowledging your wrongdoing yet you have refused to move your vehicle. This allows them to ticket you again.

Obviously you aren’t going to get ticketed then when you try pay the ticket and leave get ticketed AGAIN in the brief window they are able to. This would be in violation of policy.

The only reason you are being double ticketed is because you have acknowledged you are illegally parked but to the officers it seems as though you don’t care.

 

[Exnem]

I dont know how it is in other countries but here in Norway you cant be punished twice for the same offense that includes parking tickets only thing they can do if you dont pay your ticket is come and get your car towed however you cant get ticketed several times for the same offense

Neither of us are in Norway on this server. When you're in a different country you'll need to be prepared to have different expectations. The PLPD does in fact practice charging for offenses that you are actively still committing, and it's something you'll just have to get used to.
I don't think it's necessary to change how the PLPD operates when it comes to charging for crimes, as the logical conclusion should simply be that if you're still illegally parked, you should still be charged if you don't already have an active punishment. (ticket or jail sentence)
Officers are already notified when a person has an outstanding ticket, so you will never get multiple tickets at once.

 

[DeadTetris]

You could simply prevent this by not paying the ticket. You are not restricted by the ticket unless you need to drive the car, in which case you can move it.

You paying the ticket, gives police a sign you acknowledged the illegally parked car and are not doing anything about it.

While i understand that perspective, its still a flawed system.

Sure i could avoid a second tickete by not paying the first one but thats exactly the issue.

You're saying the smart move is to delay compliance, which is backwards. Paying a fine should be the right course of action not something that opens you up to more punishment for the same violation.

Im simply saying that it might've been nice with either a system for the officer to check if the car has been there for a prolonged period of time (Got a ticket previously at the same location, I dont really RP as cops but the guy supervisor i asked said there is no such system to check) So either that or having a disclaimer on the ticket "Paying this doesnt protect you from further tickets/punishment)

This isnt about getting out of consequences its about avoiding stacked tickets for one infraction.
One act of illegal parking = One ticket

 

[Goose.]

While i understand that perspective, its still a flawed system.

Sure i could avoid a second tickete by not paying the first one but thats exactly the issue.

You're saying the smart move is to delay compliance, which is backwards. Paying a fine should be the right course of action not something that opens you up to more punishment for the same violation.

Im simply saying that it might've been nice with either a system for the officer to check if the car has been there for a prolonged period of time (Got a ticket previously at the same location, I dont really RP as cops but the guy supervisor i asked said there is no such system to check) So either that or having a disclaimer on the ticket "Paying this doesnt protect you from further tickets/punishment)

This isnt about getting out of consequences its about avoiding stacked tickets for one infraction.
One act of illegal parking = One ticket

It takes up a lot of developers time when you could just not pay the ticket until you’re ready to move the car. :/

(Officers are able to check when you were last ticketed, but as long as you don’t have an active ticket or are actively moving your vehicle after paying a ticket they are able to ticket you again.

 

[DeadTetris]

Neither of us are in Norway on this server

Never said the server was in my country idk where you got that from i was replying directly to Goose who brought up real life as comparison. I simply pointed out how it works here since he made the comparison. If we're gonna bring real life into justifying some of the laws on Perpheads alot of laws needs overhauling

In real life you are able to be double ticketed, it makes sense for it to happen in perp too.

 

[Acerius]

You're saying the smart move is to delay compliance, which is backwards. Paying a fine should be the right course of action not something that opens you up to more punishment for the same violation.

Paying the ticket acknowledges the wrongdoing, the compliance action is you moving your vehicle. If you acknowledge the wrongdoing but do not move the vehicle, you are still in non-compliance and liable to further punishment.

Im simply saying that it might've been nice with either a system for the officer to check if the car has been there for a prolonged period of time (Got a ticket previously at the same location, I dont really RP as cops but the guy supervisor i asked said there is no such system to check)

They can check on the police computer whether you have received any tickets or recent jail time but really, any such improvement as you describe is immaterial, because for as long as your vehicle has not been moved it is still in non-compliance, and therefore you should still be liable to be punished for it.

This isnt about getting out of consequences its about avoiding stacked tickets for one infraction.
One act of illegal parking = One ticket

Perhaps from your perspective but the prevailing view is that if you pay the fine you acknowledge the infraction. If you haven't performed the required steps to cease the non-compliance, then you should still be liable for further fines. It's a bit one-dimensional to see it as one infraction as for as long as your car is illegally parked, it is committing an offence that is enduring.

Ultimately what most LEOs do is if there is already an outstanding fine on your illegally parked car that has not yet been paid, then they will move to the second aspect of punishment under Law 12.4 and have your vehicle seized.

...or having a disclaimer on the ticket "Paying this doesnt protect you from further tickets/punishment)

Not sure if this is entirely necessary, as I would estimate that in almost every circumstance once someone has received a fine for illegal parking they would make an effort to locate and move their vehicle. Law 12.4 (at least without thinking super hard) is also the only offence I can see this being an issue for.

I think ultimately the best thing is that you now know how it works, and you can take that as a learning opportunity, as with most things in the game.

 

[lencz]

One act of illegal parking = One ticket

While officers are able to check you have been ticketed for a certain offense, they can't check if the previous ticket is for the same illegal parking as the one they are dealing with currently.

Edit: I think without a proper revamp of the police computer, this is simply not possible. The police does not have similar capabilities as staff to simply check where a car was positioned or whether it was moved to properly verify that it's the same offense.

 

[Exnem]

Never said the server was in my country idk where you got that from i was replying directly to Goose who brought up real life as comparison. I simply pointed out how it works here since he made the comparison. If we're gonna bring real life into justifying some of the laws on Perpheads alot of laws needs overhauling

Not sure why you draw the line on my response with that considering you responded to a RL-comparison with a RL-comparison. I'm simply pointing out that none of that works here, paralake is based on a huge variety of countries, and also has some original practices and designs. Norway's way of handling crime is not how paralake does it and that's all I'm stating.