Action Request (cmen dmen, FunnTunn, brian from family guy)

[Goblin]

Your Steam Name: Goblin
Your Roleplay Name: Priti Nightfall
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:200951260

Player's Steam Name: cmen dmen, FunnTunn, brian from family guy
Player's Roleplay Name: Joshua Black, David Danielson, Kobe Won
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:678201053, STEAM_0:0:33409449, STEAM_0:0:752713572

Why should this player be punished?:
Joshua Black, was standing on the window whilst being warranted seemingly seeking shootout, I don't know if he was seen by accident prior by a cop which made him stand on the window and started shooting cops.

The reason we were around southgate was because a cop reported there were wanted cars outside of industrial 3, while we were outside of industrial 3, Officers were getting shot from southgate.

The users started building their base when there was an ongoing shootout and they were being actively breached.

Evidence Link:

 

[cron73]

Well, I started the shootout as it was quite obvious they knew it was us as we was warranted for the bank raid, as for the building of base, we had only just bought southgate and just placed down a barricade in the heat of the moment.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Involved: I called out the cars it was not obvious until you literally started shooting at us there was mild suspicion until you guys started shooting cops for virtually no reason therefore leading to your property being breached and all of your org dying. You escalated the situation and gave your position away for no virtual reason by breaking 3.4 and getting your org killed in the entire process by making us raid you

 

[cron73]

It's not classed as a 3.4 break, as they clearly recognised ALL of us as 4 of us were warranted all wearing green, they clearly saw me through the window constantly staring at me which is what gave me the reason to shoot them as they clearly recognised us.

 

[mimeyy]

I will be going off the information provided, unless someone wishes to contribute more context. As @cron73's shooting through the window initiated the raid and the following shootout made it pretty obvious there is an ongoing raid, any placement of props are undeniable violations of 3.6 Construction and Properties.

@cron73 If you recognized that police were observing you through the window & your warrant had lead police to the base, why confirm their suspicion of your presence by initiating a shootout and compromise the entire location+occupants? Shooting police only confirms their suspicion and alerts more police to the location.

 

[cron73]

Well many of us had already been spotted through the windows as all 4 of us were wanted. We all was given information from an unwarranted org member that the WHOLE building was surrounded by cops which we thought would mean a raid is coming so I tried gaining an upper hand by shooting the first cops.

 

[mimeyy]

Apologies for this one taking awhile. A demo request has been sent to @cron73 for perpheads_demo_2025-8-2 19-12-39.dem to get a better idea of the surrounding area leading up to the shootout beginning.

 

[mimeyy]

@cron73, @FUNNTUNN, @kobe will receive warnings for 3.6 for placing defensive props during an ongoing raid.

As for the initiation of the raid by shooting out of the window - after reviewing a demo, it can be seen that a genuine mistake of opening the backdoor while a cruiser drove by, combined with the warranted vehicles parked nearby, prompted Southgate to be investigated from the perimeter by a few PLPD members before more police showed up, leading the occupants to believe a police raid was imminent.

Having just arrived after laundering bank cash, and becoming trapped within Southgate by the investigation, it does not seem likely that this situation would have a peaceful outcome. While ideally he should have waited before shooting & built their defenses up beforehand, the occupants' window-peaking was limited to gathering info after they believed to have been noticed by genuine mistake.

No action will be taken for this, but please understand that it was very borderline to begin firing at that point, and can easily lead to issues.
Reviewed with @Chase & @Vollgas