Action Request (Cromwell)

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Your Steam Name: 6tens
Your Roleplay Name: Robbie Vlasman
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:637625139

Player's Steam Name: Cromwell
Player's Roleplay Name: Ryan Mushroom
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:1:855646723

Why should this player be punished?: My organization member and I were only shooting at the cops because a friend told us that we had an org member who was 10 toes. While I was fighting cops, this random guy from slums 3 came out and killed me with a shotgun without a valid reason

Evidence Link: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jzmiDuKgHKkyblNb6?invite=cr-MSxCNUQsNzQ2NjkxMzEs
 
Its been so long since the event, is there any way you can grab what I said to blobvis in the f6 on that day? It will help explain properly as opposed to me misremembering stuff and being accused of lying.

Plus if you could find the exact time I killed him, so I can dig up a demo and explain my perspective. @Mini
 
perpheads_demo_2025-1-26 18-19-56.dem should be the demo file, the actual kill will be shown at the end of the demo approximately 49minutes in so you might wanna fast track to 35mins in?
 
Ill try keep it short because I feel like im gonna get warned no matter what even though this entire situation is neither of our faults and is just a misunderstanding caused by the plpd not announcing themselves, Id like to just have an end to the situation and move on

My Perspective - Got raided multiple times throughout the day by this guys org, doorcamped, flamed, harassed. Gunshots went off so me and my friend ingame thought it was them raiding plus we heard the metal detector going off so within 30 seconds of the first ak gunshots going off my friend drops a gun and we both push down to counter at this point in time we are completely unaware of the situation of them breaking a friend out of a police car, I am fully aware you cannot counter or defend if police are at the scene however as you can even see in the clip the PLPD as per usual are incompetent all it would have taken was one siren, one announcement in chat or something from the multiple officers outside and online in the area and I wouldve walked back inside and not got involved. You can even see me in the clip walk down the stairs and look at him, identify that the gun he had was the gun me and my friend had heard them shoot because I did not want to shoot a random defender or a random player, I was fully under the impression I was following.

2.5 Excessive Negativity​


When participating in raids, players carrying visible weaponry whilst entering, exiting or inside of the property that is being raided are considered to be significant enough threats to be killed justifiably without prior verbal commands or interaction.




This entire situation is a misunderstading and the plpds fault, they should of announced themselves especially the guy outside pointing his gun at the door clearly knowing someones coming down or even have a siren on so people inside know police are there. I am fully aware of the rules (ive been warned enough and have spoke to helpers ingame to clarify stuff i didnt previously understand)

I am sorry for shooting 6tens, I am happy to compensate him for the loss, I do not believe this situation needs to result in anything its just a series of unfortunate events and I can almost guarantee you that most players wouldve done the same in the situation I was in misunderstandings happen.

If you are going to warn me/ban me I am aware of how to deal with this in the future theres no need to explain. I will just sit inside and do nothing as theres no benefit.

I hope the attached screenshots i found from the day help you see that it was honestly just a misunderstanding. I apologise to the player affected. I fully believed I was acting within the rules, I can even get a recording of my demo and show you that I responded so fast to the initial gunshots that clearly my intent wasnt to just kill him for no valid and within the video he provided you can see there was literally no way I couldve been aware of the police.
 

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Ill try keep it short because I feel like im gonna get warned no matter what
Stop victimizing yourself as if you are consistently warned for stuff that you're not doing.

we both push down to counter at this point in time we are completely unaware of the situation
You've gone into an active combat zone with no idea why there is combat, to me this was your first mistake to be honest.

PLPD as per usual are incompetent all it would have taken was one siren, one announcement in chat or something from the multiple officers outside and online in the area and I wouldve walked back inside and not got involved.
Why would the cops announce themselves if they were not raiding the building? The cops were the ones that were being attacked here it seems the only incompetence here is the fact you failed to investigate a situation before getting involved.

I am sorry for shooting 6tens, I am happy to compensate him for the loss
@6tens

I do not believe this situation needs to result in anything
We shall see
 
There is no point in going back and forth with you please just make a decision and save us all the hassle, I dont appreciate the condescending and antagonistic tone.

I have outlined my perspective in the situation, I still believe I acted fairly, I was under the reasonable assumption it was a raid the entire apartment block had been raided by these same guys multiple times all day but even at that this situation is not that serious its blatantly a misunderstanding cause by the incompetent police and I am happy to resolve this between me and the affected player. I dont agree about the police shit, whilst they dont HAVE to it is helpful to everyone when they do announce themselves and is even suggested in the PLPD handbook, you can clearly see the police player was standing there knowing something was going to happen camping the door with his gun out which I would take and so did the player who shot him as an attempt to use deadly force to stop him. Even in real life police dont tend to show up unannounced guns drawn.

In future situations, I will not be counter raiding, I will not be leaving my apartment.

PLPD HANDBOOK

(b) Additional Considerations Involving deadly force: If it becomes necessary to use DEADLY FORCE the following precautions shall be followed.

  • A Warning - i.e - POLICE STOP or POLICE, STOP OR YOU WILL BE SHOT, should generally be given if possible before the officer discharges his firearm.

Its clear you didn't even read what I said, if youve already made up your mind why are you even asking me to explain. And then when I explain the situation react so antagonistically, are you expecting me to just say "oh yeah i shot him because bored and i knew the police where there pls no ban" believe it or not theres context to why situations happen and not every single "rulebreak" is someone with intent to break it doing it sometimes shit happens in games and it doesnt need to always result in the same punishment as someone blatantly with intent to break the rules.

I am going to say this again to 6tens, I am sorry I shot you, I hope you read what I have said and understand it genuinely was a misunderstanding, I am happy to compensate you a new AK and some ingame currency because I would be equally pissed if this happened but this entire thing is nothing more than a series of unfortunate events.
 
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Its clear you didn't even read what I said, if youve already made up your mind why are you even asking me to explain
I was actually trying to get a better understanding into the situation and was inclined to be more lenient however, since you want to be a keyboard warrior and deflect the blame onto other people I am just going to accept this and extend your existing ban seeing as you clearly can't learn to follow the rules and take responsibility for your own actions. I am always lenient with honesty and even after you being a laptop legend, spoke to the user individually to potentially resolve this without punishment. You need to stop taking everything so personally and fix up your attitude.

Existing ban will be extended to include this situation.
 
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