Ban Dispute (JJB)

[beneto]

Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @JJB
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 3 Days

Your Steam Name: beneto
Your Roleplay Name: Daniel Holme
Your SteamID: 76561198148695934

Why were you punished?: 2.5 - User shot a player who had a gun in passive because he felt they were going to mug him.

Why should this appeal be considered?: Pretense:
Two players were following me before this incident occurred. I was followed from Lakeview to the Wood Cabin road, and then continued to be followed back to Lakeview again.

A few minutes later, I drove down Wood Cabin road again. They began following me, as I turned near the bridge I did not see them. I then stopped and waited on Wood Cabin road with my gun by my side, expecting them to follow since they had been following me for some time.

Moments later, the same two players who had been following me quickly pulled up and exited their vehicle, with one of them pulling out a weapon. In response, I shot the player who had been following me in this remote location.

I feel that I was wrongly punished for this. The admin argued that I simply “felt like” the players were going to rob me, and therefore I had no valid reason to shoot them.

I asked the admin to ask the players what their intentions were, but that did not end up happening.

So I raise the question: if you follow a player around for some time, then follow them to a remote and secluded location and pull out a gun, what would your intentions be? To talk to them? I think not.

It seems reasonable to assume these two players intended to rob me. The admin also argued that “you are not able to be robbed if you have a gun out/by your side.” However, I believe the players had no way of knowing I already had my gun out and was waiting for them, based on the clip.

Given the players’ prior actions, them arriving at my location, and one of them pulling out a weapon, I believe they had clear motive to rob me. Because of this, I feel the punishment issued against me is invalid.

Additional Information: Also I was forced to return 1x beretta which I would like to be refunded if this appeal is accepted.

 

[Viper]

You shot a player who had their weapon in a passive state without any verbal interaction or direct threats being made. Per Rule 2.5, you must not seriously harm someone unless it is a fair and reasonable response to their negative actions against you.
Following someone to a remote location is suspicious, but it is not a "negative action" that justifies an immediate killing.

Furthermore, Rule 5.1 explicitly states that players cannot be mugged while they have a weapon out. Because you were waiting with your gun drawn, you were protected by the server rules from being mugged. If the other players had attempted to force a mugging anyway, they would have been the ones in violation.
By opening fire first, you eliminated the opportunity for roleplay and became the aggressor.

Reviewed with @teby, @Lhealey05, @g lonk and @ThePeak