Ban Dispute (RespectMyVoid)

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Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @RespectMyVoid
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 1 Week

Your Steam Name: Spooky Pyro
Your Roleplay Name: Kate Collier
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:69780698

Why were you punished?: 3.4 - User failed to make sure police where not on scene before flanking a raid at slums warehouse killing a raider who was actively fighting police

Why should this appeal be considered?: The reason why I make this appeal is to prove that I had already begun flanking before PD was on scene at slums warehouse.
In the video, there are two frames: the left (POV of me) and the right (nocliping around Headline who was the first to engage with cops). The one on the right is slightly ahead due to sloppy editing by me.
Another org member and I had already begun flanking before PD was on scene. We both went for roos since he was alone and on the 45 second mark you can see me trying to bait him while I took my gun out so my org member can snipe him from bathrooms. My org member starts shooting at him and 5 seconds later I see in org chat "Barret dead" so I allow myself time to swap from a red dot to acog for better sniping and I debate over finishing off the body which is why there's an abrupt 10 seconds before me fully peaking.
PD isn't arriving on scene until the 54 second mark, and PD isn't shot at until the 1 minute mark. From that point it was till 8 seconds later when I killed pug and then 17 more seconds later I killed Headline. Although I did not fire an actual shot immediately, I was still directly involved in flanking which then gave me leeway to further kill other raiders as I already had involvement in the raid as a defender.
However, I do see the point of RespectMyVoid because I had not actually fired a shot until PD was there. Although I did not shoot anything for the beginning I was still directly involved in flanking and killing raiders.
 




In your clip you start shooting the raiders after cops arrive.

What steps did you take to make sure no cops was on the scene? From your POV it doesnt look like you checked but just start shooting
 
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In your clip you start shooting the raiders after cops arrive.

What steps did you take to make sure no cops was on the scene? From your POV it doesnt look like you checked but just
Ok I cannot stress it enough that I was on scene before any PD could arrive and I was actively involved in flanking. By baiting roos while my org member sniped him I was involved. Just because I didn't actually shoot doesn't mean I wasn't involved as a flanker.
Now to answer your question. There were no lights, sirens, nor announcements along with that, the other flanker who had a wider view had not called out any PD. 0 police were even aware that there was a raid when we started flanking.
Counter raiding while PD is on scene is a rule that I have to intentionally break because of good comms and visual/audio queues helping me avoid it.
 
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