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Pear
Pear
So what you're saying is before countries, democracy, government the world was a Utopia? You say that in ancient Greece there was Communist sort of system. But they went to war didn't they? War will always be a thing, therefore Communism is not possible.
Pear
Pear
Also babies yeah they would want to help each other because they are primitive and how no understanding of the world. Though when they grow older they form colliding opinions. What so Babies will run the world bravo!
Trande
Trande
I said the societies had a lot in common with the idea of communism. Communism isn't just achieved by hugging and being friendly. Communism is achieved when the state has been abolished, because it simply wasn't needed anymore. Ancient greek societies didn't achieve it, because they wanted the world united, they did it because it is a great way for a society to work.
Trande
Trande
Infact the greek city states actually weren't really into expanding their territory either way, they minded their own business pretty much. Pre-historic is different, it's also hard to compare it with today, to be honest. But the very, very shortened idea of communism is everyone does what he has to do, and puts the stuff in a big box, then you take what you need. We didn't go instict so it kinda worked.
Trande
Trande
This "argument" just shows how you have no idea about human nature. Funny is, I obviously get a long with many people who follow the same ideals as I do. And we interact very well socially with each other, even if we are not the best friends ever. But you can't expect this kind of behaviour, since you seem to be anti-social.
Trande
Trande
Pear
Pear
Ever heard of the social contract, it means that you won't commit crime as long as you get to live in a society, paying taxes ETC. This means you would be safe. With the state abolished what would protect you? You would make laws? Who would keep the peace? You would have vigilantism which you should know does not work.
Pear
Pear
Exactly you get along with people who share YOUR idea. Not the other people. People will always have colliding ideals, people have gone to war over ideals. This is why we have so many countries.
Pear
Pear
Now I'm being social, I am doing stuff now with other humans. Communism will never work bai.
Trande
Trande
Abolishing the state doesn't mean anarchy. Communes (COMMUNism, make sense eh) decide on rules in democratic voting. Again, Rojava hhas working communes. They get bombed by ISIS tho, which is sad. I never said I don't accept your ideas. You simply talk absolute shit about communis. You have no idea about it, but you still try to denounce me for believing in it
Trande
Trande
I'm not saying that this process will just trigger and we end up living in communism within the next decade. It's a long struggle, Marx even said it will probably take decades, if not centuries to transform from socialism to communism. And we haven't even reached the first step.
Trande
Trande
Ignorance is bliss. Even in capitalism this attitude won't bring you far. lmao.
Pear
Pear
I think you're deluded and? Don't you see yes in their society they may have a system. They still get attacked. Though you don't accept my point because you're arguing it; people will always have conflict. So Communism is not possible. It won't work anyway because even if it did happen it would not last. Now please stop commenting on my profile, people would think I affiliate myself with commies, dire.
Pear
Pear
Ignorance is bliss that is why you believe communism will work. You're ignorant of history. Now bye.
Trande
Trande
You simply don't know what communism is and have no idea of history. You obviously shown that. I disproven your points and you say I don't accept them. Typical, lmao. Have fun being "social" in video games.
Pear
Pear
Oh my you don't give up, you have no idea of history because ALL socialist countries failed. Now go.
Trande
Trande
kk, bye lol
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Liberlism and Capitalism go hand in hand what are you on about. This is why they have one and why the west is the dominant part of the world. The only exception is China which is mixture of commicapital
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Trande
Capitalism and liberalism do NOT go hand in hand. As I said, the ruling class in exploiting the lower classes. You either work a shit job, or die on the streets.
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