Action Request (Supreme Leader Allabean and Bugware (now bbge bugware))

[Mushroom]

Your Steam Name: Mushroom
Your Roleplay Name: Ryan Mushroom
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:855646723

Player's Steam Name: Supreme Leader Allabean and Bugware (now bbge bugware)
Player's Roleplay Name: N/A (Cant remember, they had long arabic names)
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:1:501758558 and STEAM_0:1:168424314

Why should this player be punished?: Made this a report ingame was told to make it an AR by @Galle

Supreme Leader Allabean - 3.3 Realistic Actions x2
Stood on a workbench to shoot into the room I was in and shoot one of the defenders

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Bugware - 3.13 Drug Harvesting

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This one is a bit more nuanced, they harvested while still raiding the property. My issue comes in the fact that the rule states

3.13 Drug Harvesting

Players must not harvest drugs while being raided, or when they suspect an imminent raid, **without a significant chance of escape. For example if you know you can escape you may do so with the drugs.**

There was a TFU sniper holding the house outside, cops still arriving on scene and they didnt leave for another 10+ minutes after until a swarm of PD came back after NLR and wiped them out. I wouldnt have an issue if they ran out took the drugs and left but they picked them up, continued to raid then 2 died to me for the last person to be wiped by PD. It doesnt feel like there was an effort made to see if they even firstly had an opportunity to escape (sniper standing outside entire time they where fully aware of) or even try push out in a direction the sniper didnt have line of sight and run off? They just sat here for another 10+ minutes, doesnt feel fair considering they didnt KNOW they could escape or even attempted to escape.

Evidence Link: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kYzwBGw1N03ZrXVt9?invite=cr-MSxPTmQsMzMzOTgzODc0&v=38

 

[Galle]

@Jamal Stone Please explain why you were using elevated defense during the raid.

@marquis Why did you decide to harvest the drugs while the property was still actively being raided?

You both have 48 hours to respond.

 

[marquis]

I can easily escape with the drugs, all cops (apart from sza) were killed on the scene. We are also the ones raiding.. the rule states when under threat of a raid.
Also dont think we knew sza was sniping at this point

 

[Jamal Stone]

is it just me or is bro communicating with someone while not on the phone?

 

[Jamal Stone]

Also my reasoning was that it was too narrow for 2 people to move up and down so I had to be on the shelf in case my teammate needed to rotate off his position without running and getting blocked by me. Also they weren't my props they were already in the base

 

[Mushroom]

is it just me or is bro communicating with someone while not on the phone?

I was on the phone, just didnt show up in the demo recording I used here.

Heres the original clip non demo https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kY9TcdG5hKE5CEKis?invite=cr-MSxqQ04sMzMzOTgzODc0&v=18

Also my reasoning was that it was too narrow for 2 people to move up and down so I had to be on the shelf in case my teammate needed to rotate off his position without running and getting blocked by me. Also they weren't my props they were already in the base

To be fair, defenses in that base where fucking retarded lmao. I have no idea who placed them, I arrived about 1 minute before the raid but surely instead of standing on the workbench and giving yourself an unfair advantage you couldve just f6d it?

 

[Mushroom]

I can easily escape with the drugs, all cops (apart from sza) were killed on the scene. We are also the ones raiding.. the rule states when under threat of a raid.
Also dont think we knew sza was sniping at this point

Yeah you couldve easily escaped, yet you decided to then try another door and die to me continuing the raid and not leaving for 10+ minutes. Id fully understand if you picked up the shit and ran out the door, I have done that before but the rule states you must KNOW you can escape, you wouldnt know you could escape considering you put your life on the line about 5 minutes later whilst camping the door to get shot by me an active threat you KNOW is inside. Thats the issue

 

[Galle]

@marquis
You failed to clear the property before harvesting the drugs. Your chances of escaping were low, considering the homeowners were still actively defending the property. After checking the logs, you died shortly after harvesting the drugs, killed by the defending homeowner.

@Jamal Stone
You actively used an elevated platform to gain what appears to be an advantage. You had multiple opportunities to get down but chose not to.

@marquis Will receive a warning.
3.13 – The user harvested drugs during an active raid while the homeowner was still actively defending the property. The user died shortly after, killed by the defending homeowner.

@Jamal Stone Will receive a warning.
3.6 – The user used an elevated platform to gain an advantage during an active raid.