Ban Dispute (Daan)

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Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @Daan
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 2 Weeks

Your Steam Name: lvl 100 elite hacker boss
Your Roleplay Name: Sally Slobbernoker
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:4980326

Why were you punished?: 2.5 - The player initiated a raid by shooting at a player that has walked out of their property towards their vehicle to store their rifle.

Why should this appeal be considered?: I was banned because I walked up to Southgate after there was a meth explosion inside. I watched a person leaving the base and go to his car and enter his trunk with a rifle on his back and I shot him dead as he was directly outside his own base while armed after just leaving which means if I don't kill him he is a major threat to us as he can drive away and shoot us from behind or just pick up his gun if we leave him unaccompanied for a moment. This kill was to initiate the raid which is the problem that the staff member had with it however if we crowbarred to start it he would've just shot us and we would have risked our lives for no reason. The staff member did not provide a specific line or area of rule 2.5 and just posted the whole rule and then the vague line at the beginning which doesn't pertain to any specific situations. He kept saying I was just killing a random person for no reason when this isn't the case as I killed an armed defender because he was armed and I watched him leave the property. This clearly showed a reason and gain by killing him as well as the negatives of letting him live which shows it wasn't excessively negative to kill him. I understand that it is more favourable for roleplay to gunpoint him but gun pointing him risks our lives and whole raid for no reason.

It has been a part of the game where you are allowed to kill armed defenders to initiate a raid for the longest time and this ban seemed to just be a lack of the staff members knowledge after the rule was updated as he couldn't provide proper information on why it was actually against the rule or specify what area he just kept posting the whole rule and saying its 2.5 which seems entirely unhelpful and a clear reach for a ban.

Additional Information: I was not given the evidence by the staff but I can provide proof from my demo of the interaction if needed
 
Nowhere is it stated you are obligated to start the raid when someone exits their property. As I attempted to explain to you, you had all the time in the world to either wait for him to leave as it seemed like he was about to, or gunpoint him. As per 2.5 you can only shoot armed people on sight if the raid is active and obvious to others. This was not the case as you were starting the raid with the kill, which basically makes it so you just shoot a random person at a random location. He was never a threat to you yet as your raid never started.

Its also never said you have to crowbar Infront of the homeowner and risk your life, you could've gun pointed him, waited, or went around the back.

t has been a part of the game where you are allowed to kill armed defenders to initiate a raid for the longest time
Your record says otherwise since you have many punishments that are related to this incident.

after the rule was updated as he couldn't provide proper information on why it was actually against the rule or specify what area he just kept posting the whole rule and saying its 2.5 which seems entirely unhelpful and a clear reach for a ban.
Me and @Ezza both tried explaining to you how the only new part is:
During active, obvious raids on bases, players may kill occupants who are:

  • Known to be armed
  • Aren’t surrendering
  • Entering or exiting with visible weapons


Unarmed occupants caught off-guard during silent raids must not be killed on sight.
Which basically only proves the point we were trying to make while explaining the situation to you.

Since I issued this I obviously wont be apart of the decision. Just putting my input here for other staff.
 
Nowhere is it stated you are obligated to start the raid when someone exits their property. As I attempted to explain to you, you had all the time in the world to either wait for him to leave as it seemed like he was about to, or gunpoint him. As per 2.5 you can only shoot armed people on sight if the raid is active and obvious to others. This was not the case as you were starting the raid with the kill, which basically makes it so you just shoot a random person at a random location. He was never a threat to you yet as your raid never started.
It was never stated i was obligated and him having a gun on him alone is a threat as well as most of ur statement just not being true at all.

Its also never said you have to crowbar Infront of the homeowner and risk your life, you could've gun pointed him, waited, or went around the back.
We had people going around back to start raiding from there as well as we were entering from both sides
Your record says otherwise since you have many punishments that are related to this incident.
My last ban for 2.5 was 11 months ago and my last warn for it was over a year ago. You say my record as if for the past year I have been breaking on a regular basis when its clearly not the case
Me and @Ezza both tried explaining to you how the only new part is:
During active, obvious raids on bases, players may kill occupants who are:

  • Known to be armed
  • Aren’t surrendering
  • Entering or exiting with visible weapons


Unarmed occupants caught off-guard during silent raids must not be killed on sight.

Which basically only proves the point we were trying to make while explaining the situation to you.
This was not a silent raid and none of this pertains to starting a raid its all about active raids
 
My last ban for 2.5 was 11 months ago and my last warn for it was over a year ago. You say my record as if for the past year I have been breaking on a regular basis when its clearly not the case
I am not saying you are breaking it on a regular basis, but there's multiple punishments on your record that describe a similar situation. That's why we're confused that you claim that its always been allowed. Its not on me to keep on replying to this. Other staff will overlook this and decide on the outcome, lets wait for that to happen instead!
 
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