Ban Dispute (Daan)

[Kronen]

Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @Daan
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 2 Weeks

Your Steam Name: Kronen
Your Roleplay Name: Zoe French
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:4980326

Why were you punished?: 2.5 - The player (accidentally) shot another player that ran into lakeview when trying to give a warning shot, the reasoning was because they believed their raid was still active, even though there were clear signs it was (mostly) over. Another approach could've been used to get the player to leave.

Why should this appeal be considered?: The guy who I killed ran into my raid zone 20 seconds after I stole a van which had drugs inside and this van did set off an alarm which I can assume he heard. You can also see in the clip that the person had NLR which is from lakeview which means he was waiting his NLR and that he knew there was a raid as well as the 5 cop bodies he sees on his way over. I went off all that info and went to give him a warning shot an accidentally killed him. I think all of that information gives me enough reasoning to kill him but I went with a warning shot and I also let his friend live and leave. Daan showed no care for my opinion and contradicted himself by saying "how should he magically know the raid is still going on" however from my POV he can know from the vans alarm which is fair to assume he heard and the bodies as well as the person with a sniper in a van yet dismissed me when I asked how i was supposed to magically know if he heard the van alarm or not. You can also see in the clip Brendan was still moving guns into cars which I was covering which is even more of a reason for me to shoot him as my teammate was vulnerable moving guns and he was charging straight in.

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[Lhealey05]

This is currently under review. Do you happen to have a clip of your POV

 

[Kronen]

I do not but I can go into my demo and have a look if you let me know the demo name.

 

[Lhealey05]

perpheads_demo_2025-10-20 20-42-42

This demo started at 8:42:46 PM. The incident happened at 9:21:40 PM

 

[Kronen]

As you can see in my POV I aimed behind him and it still killed him and we still had multiple guns on the floor that Brendan was storing and he runs in very very soon after i steal the van so it is fair to assume he heard it. I realised I killed him so we got in our cars and left as to not get in another fight with cops or anyone else so we had to sacrifice like 2 or 3 guns due to him coming back to a situation he died in. He also took 0 care to investigate whether it was over which means his own actions lead to his death as if was he slow and didn't rush in like his friend he would have lived and wouldn't have even been shot at.

 

[Tilin]

Upon a thorough review with several staff members and careful review of the evidence, which was provided through the process, we have decided to DENY this dispute on the following basis:

Whilst the player entered the area earlier than they should have, it was also apparent to them that you were leaving the area, therefore assuming it was safe for them to enter. There was no sufficient reason to kill them and if you were planning to give them a warning shot, it's obvious that you didn't take any greater care in doing so, as it looks like a plain shoot-to-kill situation.

The other player will however receive a 1-day ban for 3.4, the reason being: entering the area, given the fact that were were countless bodies and should have ensured it was safe to do so, as they had likely heard the shots a minute prior to the clip. Either way, they should have been more careful.

Not every 3.4 violation of other players means you can simply kill them and in this case there clearly was no benefit of doing so.

Your ban will remain in place.

Reviewed with @Collier, @Ellie, @Megasaw, @Vollgas, @Creepis, @HuskyD0G, @Lhealey05 and @JJB