Community Suggestion Expand NITRP Boundaries

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Suggestion Title: Expand NITRP Boundaries
Suggestion Description: I can imagine this is either going to get downvoted to oblivion, denied immediately because there's nothing you can do about it, or both. But I care about the server enough to at least try something here.

Most if not all of the top orgs right now do not roleplay whatsoever, all they care about is combat xp and shooting. It's a serious problem affecting the quality of roleplay on the server as a whole and its quite upsetting really. Bring back passive RP, why does everything have to lead to a shootout or someone crying for KOS?

I get its a crime city though right? Growing drugs, raiding, stealing cars, bank robbery etc.. shootouts are inevitable and can still be enjoyable but its when people act like perpheads is csgo that just ruins everything. Shoot first questions later type thing. "gun game???" as soon as an admin logs on is honestly embarrassing, just go play call of duty at that point.

Honestly, this might be impossible especially due to the fact that a lot of the moderators are in an org with the name of a certain state of matter (all of them are the worst offenders for this recently) and I can also imagine I'm just shouting into the void for the most part because not enough people, staff team too, care enough. It seems that hardly anyone gives a gaff for passive RP these days. The streets are empty at max pop because everyone is hiding in bases holding pixel angles or bomb raiding everyone and their nan. It could be organisations in general, it could be the map, I have no idea.

It's not just crim mains either, police love shooting for whatever reason most of the time too, even if they do entertain the roleplay they do it to the bare minimum and you can feel it in their voice / energy. They do not truly care and it just brings the whole vibe down. Why are we faced with "what do you want?" , "just hurry up and get it over with" , "i don't have time for this" when attempting to roleplay a scenario rather than shooting? I'm not an expert but that sounds like no intention to roleplay to me.

I am not suggesting banning everyone in an org, I am suggesting giving out warnings, maybe a couple days banned for the repeat offenders. This would be an immense change and I can imagine the average player count may drop if this is implemented but in my opinion, that would be a positive in the long run for improving the quality of life in the server. I think having NITRP as a standalone separate rule that acts as an umbrella rather than strictly only for pure trolls would be beneficial.

I'd also like to make it clear I'm not trying to advocate for the removal of crime, guns, raids, events or organisations. They are all valuable, entertaining and interesting aspects to the server but I believe the focus needs to shift away from PvP. Some of you genuinely need to take a break from the server or play a different game, its pushing players away. I would also like to add I joined the server a few weeks after V6 released. I obviously am not knowledgeable of how the server started therefore I have no idea how bad this has gotten but from what I've seen and heard from other suggestions and members of the community, it has got worse recently.

Why should this be added?:
- "Serious City RP" is in the name of the server
- Increased ability to talk things out rather than kos
- Hopefully reduce the black screen simulator for plpd
- Reduce the stress and anger for the player base, you join a roleplay server to start sweating in shootouts? make it make sense

What negatives could this have?:
- it'll piss people off
- risking a drop in average player count
- more work for staff / difficult to enforce
- i'm gonna get jumped for this

What problem would this suggestion solve?: shift the focus more to roleplay rather than pvp

 

[Baba]

TL;DR
I will just come on and say this, what I PERSONALLY have seen. Is that the proper CRIMINAL mains don't really raid Roleplay bases. They also see it as a "wasted" raid. What I have though seen is that has been a huge fluctuation and increase of "passive criminal rpers" like cop mains (excluding cmd members) actually being the ones raiding rp bases AND New player bases.

So to summarise, the proper PVPers raid proper bases, not rp ones nor new players

 

[Sorle]

The issue with this post is that you've not suggested any concrete direct changes to be made and instead spoken in vague, sweeping terms which realistically don't suggest a definitive change to be made.

How would you actually start to tackle this? If you feel stuck trying to answer that question, that's because there is no definitive answer; this has been a point of discussion for many, many years, and every time it comes up, the same issue presents itself that there just is no direct change to make that doesn't ostracise a good portion of the player base.

The server has been shifting in some ways to what you're suggesting for many years now and I think this is exemplified by the general update patterns we have witnessed, i.e., a stark lack of criminal gameplay updates, very rare adjustments to gunplay etc.

The pattern of play for some players is well established and by making large-scale prohibitive changes you risk chopping off a large proportion of your player base in the interests of a select few, who have seemed to co-exist and manage fine alongside these players while seeking genuine roleplay situations.

 

[Fracket]

I raid new players when I know it’s profitable. Aka a number of people inside

 

[cerbi]

Honestly I feel the same. Less and less rp is happening. I don't mind the illegal side as I always partake in crime here and there, but I feel like we're all grasping at straws trying to get anything worthy out of it. I've noticed its harder and harder to get people to engage in proper rp when on cop, or in general. Shout out the criminal scumbags who still do rp, you may pmo but your heart is in the right place to make sure everyone feels engaged.

 

[Fracket]

Honestly I feel the same. Less and less rp is happening. I don't mind the illegal side as I always partake in crime here and there, but I feel like we're all grasping at straws trying to get anything worthy out of it. I've noticed its harder and harder to get people to engage in proper rp when on cop, or in general. Shout out the criminal scumbags who still do rp, you may pmo but your heart is in the right place to make sure everyone feels engaged.

I think it’s kind of hard to roleplay as the rules only allow a certain ways for roleplay to happen

 

[kerzify]

I am not suggesting banning everyone in an org, I am suggesting giving out warnings, maybe a couple days banned for the repeat offenders. This would be an immense change and I can imagine the average player count may drop if this is implemented but in my opinion, that would be a positive in the long run for improving the quality of life in the server.

How do you expect members of the administration team, to justify punishing players, whether through bans or warnings as you have stated, when they have simply not violated any rules and are just playing the server to how it's set out? We can't just punish players through subjective perception of behaviour, we have set rules that we have to follow, otherwise we risk being unfair and inconsistent.

Most if not all of the top orgs right now do not roleplay whatsoever, all they care about is combat xp and shooting. It's a serious problem affecting the quality of roleplay on the server as a whole and its quite upsetting really. Bring back passive RP, why does everything have to lead to a shootout or someone crying for KOS?

This will be more than expected right now because of leaderboard reset, whenever that does happen, people will shift their focus towards grinding combat specifically for the XP and pushing for #1 on the leaderboard. If this wasn't the intended effect, the system wouldn't reward it the way it does. Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you that it definitely hurts passive RP, but it's definitely more of a by-product of the current incentives than people randomly just deciding they don't want to roleplay anymore.

 

[cerbi]

I think it’s kind of hard to roleplay as the rules only allow a certain ways for roleplay to happen

I think thats more on the individual to figure out a way they can happily roleplay while still abiding by the server/roleplay rules. I've done many day long sessions with a group of people that also willingly dragged in complete strangers who got the vibe and then engaged. Can you give me some examples of rp you'd partake in that the server rules perhaps say no to?

 

[MJ.]

Respectfully this is just a nothingburger post as you aren't actually giving an idea you're just using big buzzwords and saying stuff. Your point is understandable however like most of these "roleplay is dead", (insert whatever is dead post) its just people saying stuff but no actual expansion or recommend action that isnt just saying stuff to say stuff.

EXAMPLE (no disrespect to the OP these have a bit more solutions):

Thread 'Criminal Roleplay is a joke' https://perpheads.com/threads/criminal-roleplay-is-a-joke.70764/


Thread 'Competitiveness and the death of roleplay' https://perpheads.com/threads/competitiveness-and-the-death-of-roleplay.70576/


Thread 'The PLPD is a joke' https://perpheads.com/threads/the-plpd-is-a-joke.70225/

If you want to actually change things within the server its probably better to actually say how and not just make a post complaining under the guise of a "suggestion".

 

[Medium]

Although I agree with the fact that PassiveRP has gone into a downwards spiral, you have made quite a few points that make no sense at all.

Honestly, this might be impossible especially due to the fact that a lot of the moderators are in an org with the name of a certain state of matter (all of them are the worst offenders for this recently)

I’d like you to mention what exactly this organisation is doing wrong. They are doing the exact same 90% of organisations do, which is all within the rules. No, they aren’t Vaultcorp but it’s not like they run around breaking 3.4 and get pardoned by the Staff Members in there. There are plenty organisation with Staff Members in them, Liquid just so happens to have more than average. Which it already did before Hoodrats split into Liquid and other organisations. Nothing changed. It just became more known due to it being a new organisation.

because not enough people, staff team too, care enough

I care a lot. If only you knew the type of things this state of matter organisation has planned. We aren’t even a month old and you already came to the conclusion we are an ‘esport’ organisation. Let us setup an infrastructure first!
I have been taking a grip on the toxicity within these organisations, specifically the OOC chat behaviour. It has already decreased significantly after a few people got warned for it. They are very aware they won’t get warned again.
Furthermore, organisations that are considered ‘esports’ have experienced players who will also get punished more severely if they do break rules, they just don’t as much as you think.

It's not just crim mains either, police love shooting for whatever reason most of the time too, even if they do entertain the roleplay they do it to the bare minimum and you can feel it in their voice / energy.

This is an issue that is a direct byproduct of a certain part of the community that enjoys shooting. I fully understand this point and I personally find it annoying too, but you didn’t mention a single way to fix this issue. You are just complaining.

I am not suggesting banning everyone in an org, I am suggesting giving out warnings, maybe a couple days banned for the repeat offenders

We cannot punish anyone that doesn’t break rules. Simple as.


This thread is hardly a suggestion, it is a rant. If you truly want stuff to change you have to come with realistic ideas that don’t affect the dynamic of the server. It is not just the criminals that are part of this problem, a lot of passive rp players tend to make extremely petty reports which causes the criminals to not engage with them anymore. This is a much broader problem than what you mentioned.

I am all for change, as a matter or fact, I have been trying to push less aggressive criminal rp ever since I got staff. It is not as easy as it looks at all.

I feel like this thread came from an emotional response instead of a constructive response.

 

[Cap.Phillips]

I share this same opinion. There is definitely a group of people ( not small) that get on the game and make it feel like they are playing GTA online but, I don’t think this only includes the raiders/basers. This phenomenon also happens, for example, in the pd, in the ems and much more. I guess people want to grind so bad they forget the RP part.

 

[MJ.]

Although I agree with the fact that PassiveRP has gone into a downwards spiral, you have made quite a few points that make no sense at all.


I’d like you to mention what exactly this organisation is doing wrong. They are doing the exact same 90% of organisations do, which is all within the rules. No, they aren’t Vaultcorp but it’s not like they run around breaking 3.4 and get pardoned by the Staff Members in there. There are plenty organisation with Staff Members in them, Liquid just so happens to have more than average. Which it already did before Hoodrats split into Liquid and other organisations. Nothing changed. It just became more known due to it being a new organisation.


I care a lot. If only you knew the type of things this state of matter organisation has planned. We aren’t even a month old and you already came to the conclusion we are an ‘esport’ organisation.
I have been taking a grip on the toxicity within these organisations, specifically the OOC chat behaviour. It has already decreased significantly after a few people got warned for it. They are very aware they won’t get warned again.
Furthermore, organisations that are considered ‘esports’ have experienced players who will also get punished more severely if they do break rules, they just don’t as much as you think.


This is an issue that is a direct byproduct of a certain part of the community that enjoys shooting. I fully understand this point and I personally find it annoying too, but you didn’t mention a single way to fix this issue. You are just complaining.


We cannot punish anyone that doesn’t break rules. Simple as.


This thread is hardly a suggestion, it is a rant. If you truly want stuff to change you have to come with realistic ideas that don’t affect the dynamic of the server. It is not just the criminals that are part of this problem, a lot of passive rp players tend to make extremely petty reports which causes the criminals to not engage with them anymore. This is a much broader problem than what you mentioned.

I am all for change, as a matter or fact, I have been trying to push less aggressive criminal rp ever since I got staff. It is not as easy as it looks at all.

I feel like this thread came from an emotional response instead of a constructive response.

I also agree however the stances passive roleplayers take sometimes also encourages this behavior as me personally if I raided someone who willingly went to the lengths be as aggressive/passive aggressive alongside provide such emotional responses I'd carry on. If you would like to reduce the impact I reccomend to not feed into crim mains and be just a free reaction for them (respectfully) as this is just ranting and you are encouraging this toxic "esport" behavior by providing such statements regarding other players playstyles. I have already made a post on said thread however felt it'd he helpful to help prevent this claimed behaviour on YOUR behalf.

 

[micbib]

you always have downtown_rp if u hate it so much

 

[P4RANOI4]

Truth nuke, I mean I see a lot of venom and good points on both sides for example
- How enforce?
- You didnt give many ideas

But I completely agree with what you said, the pvp players I find in interactions refuse to rp with me
and actively ruin rp bc they have kos when we could have had a rlly fun scenario where the pvp guy prolly got money and benefit from it

Its just quite sad to see and seeing people quit due to this issue, while the pvp scene thrives ykwim

 

[SimFTW]

I see a lot of negativity on this thread which is a real shame considering he's just sharing his views.

I understand many people are saying he's made no suggestion but I feel like that's just disingenuous. The title in itself is a suggestion "Expand nitrp boundaries". He's literally saying expand the nitrp rule to cover more situations which seems like a suggestion to me. Following on from his suggestion of a change to the rule he then expands by suggesting that if the rule is changed to cover more, then it could be enforced as follows "I am not suggesting banning everyone in an org, I am suggesting giving out warnings, maybe a couple days banned for the repeat offenders." (warnings with bans to follow if it's repeated).

I do understand how some people could see the post as somewhat vague but to say there's no suggestion here and it's just a rant is a bit out of line imo. He's clearly tried hard on this suggestion and he's made some very valid points that I completely agree with. Could he have said some things in a better way? Sure. With that being said I do still see the point he's making and I think the suggestion is pretty valid.

To summarise, what I'm understanding from this thread is that he wants the nitrp rule expanded upon to cover more situations. If the rule gets expanded, he then wants warnings given to people for nitrp with bans only occurring for people who repeatedly show no interest in engaging with RP.

Sorry for the long ass post but I couldn't stay quiet, I had to give my input especially with all the negativity aimed towards OP. You can say "no disrespect" all you want but if you then proceed to be disrespectful.. Get what I mean? Maybe I've read too much into it but yeah, I agree with the suggestion and if you don't that's fine but no need to be so critical and harsh towards the guy, he's just trying to help the server he loves in whatever way he can. Big up Patrick!

 

[exrobite]

Respectfully this is just a nothingburger post as you aren't actually giving an idea you're just using big buzzwords and saying stuff. Your point is understandable however like most of these "roleplay is dead", (insert whatever is dead post) its just people saying stuff but no actual expansion or recommend action that isnt just saying stuff to say stuff.

EXAMPLE (no disrespect to the OP these have a bit more solutions):

Thread 'Criminal Roleplay is a joke' https://perpheads.com/threads/criminal-roleplay-is-a-joke.70764/


Thread 'Competitiveness and the death of roleplay' https://perpheads.com/threads/competitiveness-and-the-death-of-roleplay.70576/


Thread 'The PLPD is a joke' https://perpheads.com/threads/the-plpd-is-a-joke.70225/

If you want to actually change things within the server its probably better to actually say how and not just make a post complaining under the guise of a "suggestion".

bro why are these all made by me.... perhaps the solution is unban exrobite...

sadly we have to accept that if we establish any meaningful rp requirements for criminal RP the server will die. The best thing we can do is add tools for the players who actually want to engage with what the server offers past shooting guns and looking at number go up

 

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