Server Suggestion Fishing Piranhas

[MalekIsWeird]

Suggestion Title: Fishing Piranhas
Suggestion Description: LAW: Fishing Pirahna's is made illegal. Anyone spotted fishing there is subject to a search first then if found with illegal fish (Piranhas) then they are to face a penalty of up to $3000 fine and or 3 years in prison.

Fishing Piranhas is MORE profitable than normal Bass or Salmon or any other. Pirahnas are considered a "Endangered Species," in Paralake and they are preserved.

Why should this be added?:
- Park Ranger Roleplay for police
- Illegal fishing makes living in the trailer parks not so bad.
- Invites more seasoned players to come to the Paralake to try new fishing
- Seasoned players then can try to possibly teach new players other things while doing
- More activity in what previously was a dead part of the map with barely any new players if any.
- Legal fishing is very well still possible at Beach, like most people already do.

What negatives could this have?:
- V6 soon so maybe not useful due to map changes?

What problem would this suggestion solve?: Removing dead space from the map as well as adding more criminality for cops and crims alike to enjoy roleplaying.

 

[Bnjemann]

You don’t get to choose what you’ve fished up, why have one of those items illegal? Where does that leave the player who has fished it up but can’t do anything with it?

 

[MalekIsWeird]

You don’t get to choose what you’ve fished up, why have one of those items illegal?

You're asking the pros, the Pros are above as listed

Why should this be added?:
- Park Ranger Roleplay for police
- Illegal fishing makes living in the trailer parks not so bad.
- Invites more seasoned players to come to the Paralake to try new fishing
- Seasoned players then can try to possibly teach new players other things while doing
- More activity in what previously was a dead part of the map with barely any new players if any.

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- Legal fishing is very well still possible at Beach, like most people already do.

Where does that leave the player who has fished it up but can’t do anything with it?

What do you mean "can't do anything with it," ? They can cook it to eat or sell it just like any other fish.

Also if it's really that much of a problem for people who don't want anything to do with Piranhas, They can fish at Beach like everyone else already does to avoid the Piranha infestation.

 

[blobvis 2.0]

And this post shows exactly the reason you got this:


As Benji already mentioned, what if you don't want to catch the fish, should there be specific locations, items required?

Your suggestion are created with little thought in mind and posted.

If you want to have a constructive thread:

1) Explain where/how to catch piranha's (e.g. drop a specific item in the water or location based only (take in consideration Benji's post, what IF I like to fish at hicktown but can't anymore as a pesky cop will bother me 24/7? )
2) Value of Piranha's, what is your suggestion for pricing?
3) How often should a Piranha be found?
4) Your description allows the piranha in the inventory, does that make the item not illegal?
5) Hicktown is most often used by newer players, what u on about?
6) Will the whole forest be off limit now for fishing be illegal or just specific parts (given not the whole lake has fishes that kill you, how will that be determined in the law?)
7) Where is this "deadspace" according to you?
8) a smaller one but what about storing the item, when can you and cannot store such a fish as you mentioned they are only liable if piranha's are found, what is your suggestion to this? what withholds me of putting a piranha in a storage box of any kind, will a cop be allowed to confiscate my storage or chest?

Think before you post, make a reasonable assumption of what players might ask or question. Where as a straight forward post for QOL are completely different to a full new idea like here (introducing a complete new item), it needs a bit of indepth explanation for it to be properly handled, the way this is suggested it will most likely be denied but if you manage to explain it better and be more detailed I would see this as a fun and good idea that allows a more profitable yet riskier way of fishing.

Here are some negatives:
1) Forest will be off limit for legal fishing with cops showing up 24/7
2) Law is not clear and cannot be interpret properly as carrying and having the fish is legal but the current system does not support the hybrid ability and my fish most likely will be confiscated illegally thus an increase in IA.
3) The forest is not deadspace, its used quite often by many different people
4) new players might get ticketed often due to lack of knowledge of the fishing laws.

I find a jail sentence over a bunch a fish way too heavy and it should rather be only infraction e.g. $ fine and asset forfeiture or a structure like section 8 (restricted substances) where a difference is made between intent to use and intent to supply.

At this point I am against the suggestion as I like fishing in hicktown, it's relaxing and fun and I often see random people fishing there including many newer players that will no be 24/7 ticketed or too scared to fish

 

[MalekIsWeird]

1) Explain where/how to catch piranha's (e.g. drop a specific item in the water or location based only (take in consideration Benji's post, what IF I like to fish at hicktown but can't anymore as a pesky cop will bother me 24/7? )

Location based, It's common sense that it should be where pirahnas are only and I believe Developers would assume this or think of something better than I implied.

2) Value of Piranha's, what is your suggestion for pricing?

Better than normal fish. I left it ambiguous intentionally because:
1) I don't know the reward for each fish
2) Due to me rarely fishing, if ever, I think it's more fair that others who do fish and developers should be deciding that as it's their playstyle.

3) How often should a Piranha be found?

Obviously this can't be clarified without the value being established.

4) Your description allows the piranha in the inventory, does that make the item not illegal?

I called the pirahna "illegal fish," which part of that even implies that it's legal? If found on person then it's confiscated but if caught actively fishing for it in a Pirahna waters then it's punished.

5) Hicktown is most often used by newer players, what u on about?

I neve contested that. I even said in my pros:
"- Seasoned players then can try to possibly teach new players other things while doing"

6) Will the whole forest be off limit now for fishing be illegal or just specific parts (given not the whole lake has fishes that kill you, how will that be determined in the law?)

Specific parts, It's visible which part houses pirahna so the law will prohibit fishing those spots.

7) Where is this "deadspace" according to you?

I'm American, During my timezone the place is pretty dead; Especially compared to Bazaar. Therefore, the entirety of forest basically was perceived as deadspace. Though I realize now that maybe during peak hours you can find new players congregating there to hide away from big orgs raiding slums and projex 1-4.

8) a smaller one but what about storing the item, when can you and cannot store such a fish as you mentioned they are only liable if piranha's are found, what is your suggestion to this? what withholds me of putting a piranha in a storage box of any kind, will a cop be allowed to confiscate my storage or chest?

Your storage box is still your possession. Whether it's on your person or stored in your property doesn't exonerate it's illegal nature and confiscation. So yes, of course a police officer can confiscate it out of your box if probable cause is found to lead officers to believe you have stored pirahnas in your property, similar to how they already search for drugs.

And this post shows exactly the reason you got this:

Think before you post,

Well that's just rude, I appreciate the Q&A but my playstyle is not fishing so it isn't fair for me to even try and throw numbers to please your criteria. I instead drafted the idea hoping someone more experienced; like yourself; would come by to fill in the blank and thankfully you did. So thank you for that and I appreciate the effort you put into scrutinizing it, regardless of the unnecessary and derogatory comments.

 

[Bnjemann]

You're asking the pros, the Pros are above as listed

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What do you mean "can't do anything with it," ? They can cook it to eat or sell it just like any other fish.

Also if it's really that much of a problem for people who don't want anything to do with Piranhas, They can fish at Beach like everyone else already does to avoid the Piranha infestation.

It just begs to question many things:
- Why should fishing pirahnas be illegal? They’re just any other freshwater fish and wouldn’t have any real need for conservation. If anything, all pirahna populations in North America are actually encouraged to be fished up since they’re an invasive species from South America that causes ecological damage and risks the lives of local dogs and s
- Why would Pirahnas be expensive? They’re dwelling in the stagnant river that is Paralake’s lake. They’re also not rare by any means, seeing as a million of them eat you in certain areas.
- So you’re expecting someone to fish up a rare fish, and just leave it on the waters surface dead if they don’t want to be charged because something spawned on their rods? How would officers enforce this “illegal fishing”? Cuffing and searching players who are just fishing? This is the point I was trying to make when I say “They just leave it on the surface with nothing to do with it” Because it would discourage players from wanting to do anything with it if they don’t want to involve themselves in criminal activity.
- Hicktown already has its pros as a fishing spot because you have direct access to a storage chest and a base. Why should having a rare, location specific fish with absolutely pointless “Balancing factors via legal implications” add anything to that? If anything, what you’re saying about it being a dead fishing spot would just encourage officers to go and harass someone who is fishing to find the ultra rare confiscatable fish.

Turning fishing into a criminal activity ain’t it, chief. It would be an enormous pain to enforce a fishing law, as blobvis pointed out, a cop could witness you fish up a pirahna then they’d be inclined to go force withdraw it from your storage. Furthermore, an item being tagged as illegal prevents you from selling it to standard shop NPCs, something there’s no suggested workaround for.

A law specifically banning the fishing of pirahnas would need to be implemented as well. Not something that deserves its place in the law page, as it would require its own law, despite serving almost no purpose.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

It just begs to question many things:
- Why should fishing pirahnas be illegal? They’re just any other freshwater fish and wouldn’t have any real need for conservation. If anything, all pirahna populations in North America are actually encouraged to be fished up since they’re an invasive species from South America that causes ecological damage and risks the lives of local dogs and s

sacrificing realism for fun.

- Why would Pirahnas be expensive? They’re dwelling in the stagnant river that is Paralake’s lake. They’re also not rare by any means, seeing as a million of them eat you in certain areas.

The illegal fishing compliments the existing gameplay loop of fishing and drug growing by allowing for a risk option with higher payout.

- So you’re expecting someone to fish up a rare fish, and just leave it on the waters surface dead if they don’t want to be charged because something spawned on their rods?

they can just not fish in what clearly is pirahna water if they don't want to catch fish they don't want to catch.

How would officers enforce this “illegal fishing”? Cuffing and searching players who are just fishing? This is the point I was trying to make when I say “They just leave it on the surface with nothing to do with it” Because it would discourage players from wanting to do anything with it if they don’t want to involve themselves in criminal activity.

Possession alone is not criminal, although it is confiscated as the fish itself is illegal. Probable cause beyond reasonable doubt to believe that person did the fishing is when penalty is introduced.

- Hicktown already has its pros as a fishing spot because you have direct access to a storage chest and a base. Why should having a rare, location specific fish with absolutely pointless “Balancing factors via legal implications” add anything to that?

It's not mechanically rare to catch, the fish species being endangered and preserved is a roleplay background for the law. Also I never said "balancing factors via legal implications," I can't respond to a non-argument that misquotes me.

If anything, what you’re saying about it being a dead fishing spot would just encourage officers to go and harass someone who is fishing to find the ultra rare confiscatable fish.

I don't see that as a negative nor did I ever propose that the fish is mechanically hard to catch, I only proposed that it can be caught from the specific location of which the species reside.

Turning fishing into a criminal activity ain’t it, chief. It would be an enormous pain to enforce a fishing law, as blobvis pointed out, a cop could witness you fish up a pirahna then they’d be inclined to go force withdraw it from your storage.

That's just not true because if there is no probable cause to link the storage to your illegal fishing then that storage cannot be searched afaik.

Furthermore, an item being tagged as illegal prevents you from selling it to standard shop NPCs, something there’s no suggested workaround for.

Unless it's mechanically impossible to code it so that it sells, I don't see the issue with the shop keeper being crooked.

A law specifically banning the fishing of pirahnas would need to be implemented as well. Not something that deserves its place in the law page, as it would require its own law, despite serving almost no purpose.

Once again, I don't see the issue because following that logic than I can easily name several laws off the top of my head that are almost never enforced yet remain. Starting with the entire Section 5 category or law 10.2.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

TL DR for whomever it may concern:

the intricacies of the idea are important and as someone that doesn't do this rp, I left it up to experienced players to point out the blanks to fill.