Clarify shovels are not offensive weapons

[exrobite]

Is this a new law or a change to a current law: It's a clarification


What law do you wish to change/add: 7.3 Possession of Offensive Weapons

Any person who is in possession of any offensive weapon in a public area without a reasonable excuse commits an offence. Offensive weapons include, but are not necessarily limited to the following, firearms, baseball bats, knives, machetes, or improvised/adapted items with the intent to harm or cause damage. Shovels are not classified as an offensive weapon under this law.


Why should this change/addition be made: Clarification of the standing of shovels, which can be used to hit people but should not be treated the same as other melee weapons.



What is the aim of this change/addition: To clarify the fact that shovels should not be confiscated for possession of or upon arrest.



Additional Information: no

 

[SimFTW]

I know cops aren't really confiscating shovels but this is still a good law reform purely for clarification purposes.

 

[ImaManOfAllah]

they could make it were you cant attack with it as it can still be used to kill someone I've seen it happen but pd shouldn't really confiscate it unless it was used in a crime

 

[Ashur]

Shovels are already not considered an offensive weapon when used normally, and not with the intention to cause harm or damage.

"Offensive weapons include, but are not necessarily limited to the following, firearms, baseball bats, knives, machetes, or improvised/adapted items with the intent to harm or cause damage."

The law clearly states "improvised or adapted items"

As long as you do not harm, mug or otherwise use your shovel to cause inmediately unlawful violence, they are legal.

If your shovel was confiscated when it was not used in a crime you should make an IA.

The law is pretty clear, and does not need a reform imo.

It definetily should be treated like a weapon when it is used like one. See it as a baseball bat, you can not confiscate them unless used in a crime as people could be playing baseball in roleplay.

 

[SimFTW]

Shovels are already not considered an offensive weapon when used normally, and not with the intention to cause harm or damage.

"Offensive weapons include, but are not necessarily limited to the following, firearms, baseball bats, knives, machetes, or improvised/adapted items with the intent to harm or cause damage."

The law clearly states "improvised or adapted items"

As long as you do not harm, mug or otherwise use your shovel to cause inmediately unlawful violence, they are legal.

If your shovel was confiscated when it was not used in a crime you should make an IA.

The law is pretty clear, and does not need a reform imo.

It definetily should be treated like a weapon when it is used like one. See it as a baseball bat, you can not confiscate them unless used in a crime as people could be playing baseball in roleplay.

The law does already state this yes however, for non native English speakers, I think just adding a line like "This does not include Shovels unless used to cause harm" could help with any confusion and there's no negative to adding it.

 

[Ashur]

The law does already state this yes however, for non native English speakers, I think just adding a line like "This does not include Shovels unless used to cause harm" could help with any confusion and there's no negative to adding it.

It states "are not neccesarily limited to"
I personally think it is not neccesary as it clearly falls under the "not neccesarily limited" line within the law and the examples given.
However, if this makes it easier, sure.

 

[exrobite]

"Offensive weapons include, but are not necessarily limited to the following, firearms, baseball bats, knives, machetes, or improvised/adapted items with the intent to harm or cause damage."

Yeah but this definition kind of sucks because it name drops baseball bats but doesn't namedrop hammers despite the fact both are reasonable things to have on ones person

 

[Ashur]

Yeah but this definition kind of sucks because it name drops baseball bats but doesn't namedrop hammers despite the fact both are reasonable things to have on ones person

The definition clearly states "but are not necessarily limited to the following"
And at the end "With the intent to cause harm or damage"

They should not be taken if they are not used in such ways