3.4 Opinions

Should players be able to flee for non violent crimes

  • No, keep it this way.

    Votes: 42 68.9%
  • Yes, it’s better this way.

    Votes: 10 16.4%
  • Only if no drugs are involved and no shooting is intended

    Votes: 9 14.8%

  • Total voters
    61
counter my points then. nothing i say is ragebait u r just coping
kormoran said:
@MangoFracht423 so if someone breaks the rules first u can also break the rules? that doesnt make sense

You feel as though someone breaking the rules first doesn't entitle another person to break the rules in response. This is entirely correct, yet you go on to say this immediately after:

kormoran said:
that guy didnt wanna engage in roleplay with a guy who he thought was breaking the rules by gunpointing him in a public area (valid)

In the very next thing you said, suddenly you are advocating for the player who is breaking the rules... Because you think the other guy was, which he wasn't? You are incredibly inconsistent with what you say and it is completely evident that you are not as good at RP as you think you are.
 
You feel as though someone breaking the rules first doesn't entitle another person to break the rules in response. This is entirely correct, yet you go on to say this immediately after:



In the very next thing you said, suddenly you are advocating for the player who is breaking the rules... Because you think the other guy was, which he wasn't? You are incredibly inconsistent with what you say and it is completely evident that you are not as good at RP as you think you are.
the guy was breaking moral rules
you wouldnt get it cuz u dont roleplay
you DONT gunpoint someone just to get info
you DONT kill someone cuz he didnt wanna engage in RP
 
the guy was breaking moral rules
I didn't know Papa Leo was on the PERPHeads staff team
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you DONT gunpoint someone just to get info
Why not? This is both perfectly acceptable (so long as you have a reason) and also good roleplay, what the fuck are you talking about?

you DONT kill someone cuz he didnt wanna engage in RP
If you agree that he wasn't engaging in roleplay, why on earth are you sticking up for him? He was the problem, not the guy with the gun. Roleplay doesn't suddenly become invalid because you personally don't like it, much less because they break your entirely made up "moral rules". Get a grip
 
Why not? This is both perfectly acceptable (so long as you have a reason) and also good roleplay, what the fuck are you talking about?


If you agree that he wasn't engaging in roleplay, why on earth are you sticking up for him? He was the problem, not the guy with the gun. Roleplay doesn't suddenly become invalid because you personally don't like it, much less because they break your entirely made up "moral rules". Get a grip
yeah pointing guns is good roleplay just to get info XD u dont know what u r talking about
 
yeah pointing guns is good roleplay just to get info XD u dont know what u r talking about
For a brief moment, the player would have been forced to engage with another player, but this action would have enabled him to take his own revenge and possibly even do so in a creative and engaging way. Instead, he'd rather stare at a black screen for 5 minutes than have a 2 minute conversation with another palyer.

I refuse to be lectured about roleplay by some guy who is so sensitive about what is said to him on a video game that he'd shoot them in the head and find it to be acceptable roleplay. You are not interested in roleplay, you are only interested in doing whatever you want and getting away with it, regardless of whether it is fun for people interacting with you.
 
yeah pointing guns is good roleplay just to get info XD u dont know what u r talking about
sometimes I wish I was as clueless as you, life is probably so much easier when you get spoonfed all the time

you were literally told why you were wrong yet you cannot accept the fact that, you, yes, you, are WRONG!!!
 
Well this should be announced inside the plpd since a lot of cops are gunpointing, or searching people for a traffic violation

Use of force is policy which strictly guidelines officers to use their equipment correctly, there is nothing saying that an officer cannot gun-point a civilian to apprehend someone. If an officer decides to gun-point someone for whatever reasoning, it's their own discretion, most likely for prevention of whom ever they're gun pointing from running away. Unfortunately the sad truth is, if a suspect is warranted for whatever reason OR is looking at facing time in jail, trying to apprehend these suspects using a lower-tier of force will mostly always result in them attempting to run away whether that's successfully or not, therefore, gun-pointing these suspects to apprehend them is almost a guarantee of arresting them due to preventing them running away because of 3.4.


3.7 Right to Search​

Law enforcement officers may search a vehicle and/or storage container belonging to a detained person if it is believed that the vehicle contains evidence which is believed to be related to a crime that the Law enforcement officer has reasonable belief has been committed inside the vehicle and or a crime in which the vehicle has been used, a Law enforcement officer may also search any person who is detained for anything that the detained person is believed to be in possession of relating to the investigation for which they are detained, Law enforcement officers may also search any arrested person in their custody for any evidence of a criminal offence.

As 3.7 - Right to Search states, an LEO may search a vehicle belonging to a detained person when they believe the vehicle contains evidence which is believed to be related to the crime that the officer believes has been committed. An example of this may be if a vehicle recklessly driving were to be stopped, that vehicle should not be searched, as it is in no relation towards the crime that has been committed.

If a suspect has used a weapon to murder somebody and have been seen in that vehicle, stopped and detained, if the weapon is no where to be found, 3.7 allows you as an officer to search a suspect and also allows you to search the vehicle in their possession for the weapon.

Hope that clears this up.
 
call every IRL criminal unoriginal then
u r saying u dont want to do police job as a police officer how about not play cop then if u r gonna complain about ppl creating roleplay scenarios on a roleplay server
OBIVOUSLY I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SCENARIOS CREATED BY ZERGERS WHO RUN AWAY IN SUPER CARS OR KOS POLICE
The issue is that almost every Civilian on PERP is a hardcore criminal...

It's not really a roleplay scenario when you drive away at Mach 3 and the cops can't even get your license plate.

Obviously you are not talking about scenarios created by zergers, but allowing this means they would also be able to use it. Competitively. This means showing absolutely no regard for any laws or trying to hide your guns, when you can just run away.
 
I think a lot of the issues with fleeing from minor crimes come from the fact that everyone has a fucking super duper mega ultra car and it's basically impossible to catch them in a standard police cruiser, which isn't enjoyable at all for the cops. Chasing cars that are like 120+ mph is not a fun experience.
This is part of why I tried to regulate car speeds by incentivizing people to use non-hyper cars by being able to upgrade them to somewhere around 100 MPH.

Currently any non-hyper car, even at max upgrade, won’t catch up to even a normal patrol cruiser. Let alone getting away from RTU or their Speed Interceptor.
 
Cop uses excessive force = 2 week lengthy IA process and no rule punishment even if the IA is sustained.
Considering it takes a committee of people to exonerate an officer, it's likely that you made a complaint that simply wasn't valid?

You also are aware that officers very commonly are issued server punishments as well. Once they are issued that, they also receive a punishment on plpd.online...

This is part of why I tried to regulate car speeds by incentivizing people to use non-hyper cars by being able to upgrade them to somewhere around 100 MPH.
You didn't try to regulate them. You tried to make them insanely fast. You're arguing that since it doesn't look like a hypercar, it's now a fun chase for the cops, whilst only 1-2 vehicles driven by RTU Sergeants can actually keep up with those cars (barely), whilst having to perfectly replicate the manouvres of the person they're chasing.
 
criminal ignores justifiable force = ban
Cop uses unjustifiable force = 2 week lengthy IA process and no rule punishment even if the IA is sustained.

How fair
You can just fill in the form and never engage with it again? All you need is the right evidence, you don't even need to respond to their statement...
 
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