Rule Suggestion (Forum Rule 2.5)

Exnem · 2026-05-25T01:08:26+0100

Suggestion Topic: Other
Suggestion Description: Forum rule 2.5. Add the following.

Users may not create an Action Request on behalf of another if they had no involvement with the situation in question unless requested to do so by an involved user. Merely witnessing the situation does not necessarily imply involvement and is subject to an administrator's discretion.

Why should this be added?:
- As of right now, a lot of artificial traffic is being generated by uninvolved players who simply just want to act as a vigilante for the community. This isn't always desired by either party of a situation. More often than not, victimless occurrences (sans participants) tend to generate additional action requests that create more work for staff to filter through. Unless the people involved or a staff member want something done with it, nobody else should have a say.

What negatives could this have?:
- None that I can think of. What negatives I thought of, I tried solving in the original suggestion.

Foga · 2026-05-25T01:09:39+0100

the negative is that rule breakers will get away with breaking the rules its important that the rules are upheld. Who cares who is reporting it?

dankor · 2026-05-25T01:09:51+0100

+rep add this now i don't Want another dhar man clone making ars on everyone's behalf

jams · 2026-05-25T01:16:24+0100

Playing devils advocate here - what about the people who won't or can't make ARs but are still upset by the situation? I have raised reports on behalf of other players before who can't speak for themselves.

Granted, I have obviously witnessed these situations.

I think that realistically it does create more time spent for staff, and uninvolved people are more likely to not know the full picture, with some situations being already dealt with for example.

Though, the situation being down to administrative discretion allows for these situations

Exnem · 2026-05-25T02:59:59+0100

jams said:
Playing devils advocate here - what about the people who won't or can't make ARs but are still upset by the situation? I have raised reports on behalf of other players before who can't speak for themselves.

So, I think the solution here would be to create a report and ask a staff member to create one for you, if somehow you don't have the ability to make one yourself. Not wanting to make an AR isn't really an excuse and that's their loss in my opinion.

Another solution could just be to modify the suggestion to add a clause that if you're creating one on behalf of someone else, you'll need the permission of an involved person, who would confirm it by simply replying to the thread in the affirmative.

Edit: I'm a moron, usually those who can't make an AR also can't reply. Honestly the solution here would just be to have a staff member contact the person the creator tagged as the one they're creating the AR on behalf of.

Clarky · 2026-05-25T07:56:05+0100

Foga said:
the negative is that rule breakers will get away with breaking the rules its important that the rules are upheld. Who cares who is reporting it?

If you’re not involved and the situation was already dealt with or not reported then perhaps just mind your own business? If it’s a problem for those involved, they’ll report it.

You and that brian genuine fatass guy obviously do this shit for the wrong intentions because for example you clearly didn’t even do your homework on a AR you created but had zero involvement in. Let’s not get things twisted here when staff discretion being a thing to this rule modification rectifies the issue with you rats making meaningless AR’s for attention, it’s pretty obvious.

Foga · 2026-05-25T09:30:21+0100

Clarky said:
If you’re not involved and the situation was already dealt with or not reported then perhaps just mind your own business? If it’s a problem for those involved, they’ll report it.

You and that brian genuine fatass guy obviously do this shit for the wrong intentions because for example you clearly didn’t even do your homework on a AR you created but had zero involvement in. Let’s not get things twisted here when staff discretion being a thing to this rule modification rectifies the issue with you rats making meaningless AR’s for attention, it’s pretty obvious.

If a rule break happens it should be dealt with why is this being debated

Caveric Jonson · 2026-05-25T09:56:11+0100

Clarky said:
Please contribute to the forums constructively.

You can't really say that then post this in the same thread my man

Clarky said:
You and that brian genuine fatass guy

Should take your own advice Clarky.

If a rule break is spotted it should be reported simple as that.

Exnem · 2026-05-25T10:05:55+0100

Foga said:
If a rule break happens it should be dealt with why is this being debated

Caveric Jonson said:
If a rule break is spotted it should be reported simple as that.

The Perfectionism standard will only end with people cutting into each other for doing things that harm nobody, whether that be accidentally or not. If someone wants to fly for 3 seconds on a prop in the middle of the forest, then just leave them be. They're not among the main population of the server, out of the way and harming absolutely nobody.
You can very easily take a page out of the PD handbook regarding peaceful policies. Just because someone breaks a rule does not mean it should always be pursued. If someone was affected by it, it's entirely up to them if they want to have it pursued by making an AR.

2112 · 2026-05-25T10:10:25+0100

If they witness it themself/was a bystander they should be able to report it.

If they see it on the forums or discord or DM's and they didn't witness it in game and wasn't there at the time, they shouldn't make a report.

For those who can't make AR's, usually it's just laziness or they stupidly got banned from forums. They should just message the enforcement team with all the relevant info to sort it/review it.

Foga · 2026-05-25T10:12:47+0100

Exnem said:
The Perfectionism standard will only end with people cutting into each other for doing things that harm nobody, whether that be accidentally or not. If someone wants to fly for 3 seconds on a prop in the middle of the forest, then just leave them be. They're not among the main population of the server, out of the way and harming absolutely nobody.
You can very easily take a page out of the PD handbook regarding peaceful policies. Just because someone breaks a rule does not mean it should always be pursued. If someone was affected by it, it's entirely up to them if they want to have it pursued by making an AR.

"A "slippery slope" is a metaphor describing a precarious situation where one small, seemingly harmless first step will inevitably lead to a chain of negative, compounding consequences. " if someone gets away with a rule break there more likely to commit it in the future it's important that it's handled asap. Also it's not like there are so many AR's the mod team can't handle

Tilin · 2026-05-25T10:26:34+0100

We obviously can't just forbid players from making reports against someone, because they weren't directly involved in the situation. "muh immersion" being ruined is enough to report it for such. Oftentimes the reported players also make no attempt to do the messing about in an area that is away from the general server population - which also isn't okay.

I do see where you are coming from, but I simply don't see how this could even be enforced as there's many variables that go into why someone made a report.

The inconsistency between staff members would also probably be wild, making it even more unfair when you do get punished for it.

2112 · 2026-05-25T10:29:35+0100

Tilin said:
We obviously can't just forbid players from making reports against someone, because they weren't directly involved in the situation. "muh immersion" being ruined is enough to report it for such. Oftentimes the reported players also make no attempt to do the messing about in an area that is away from the general server population - which also isn't okay.

I do see where you are coming from, but I simply don't see how this could even be enforced as there's many variables that go into why someone made a report.

The inconsistency between staff members would also probably be wild, making it even more unfair when you do get punished for it.

but they arent talking about if you was a bystander/if it affected you. 100% correct, if you see it/it affects you/you was there/bystander/involved report it

they are referring to taking clips from discord/dms/forums and making an AR from those. when the user had no involvement at the time

Exnem · 2026-05-25T10:31:04+0100

Foga said:
"A "slippery slope" is a metaphor describing a precarious situation where one small, seemingly harmless first step will inevitably lead to a chain of negative, compounding consequences. " if someone gets away with a rule break there more likely to commit it in the future it's important that it's handled asap. Also it's not like there are so many AR's the mod team can't handle

Same can be applied inversely. Excessive pursuit of "order" will eventually exhaust a playerbase's patience and enthusiasm. There's a time and a place to apply that metaphor, but this is not it. In most cases where things go too far, a report is made and the player in question is dealt with. Knowing when to be relaxed around the rules is something you learn over time, and is a key part of moderation.

If you want to be this particular about this, we all know nobody can realistically follow every law at all times as a government employee. At some point you will run a stop sign, end up on the wrong side of the road or forget to indicate. Wanna start pursuing reports for these instances?
At some point you have to know when to relax.

Tilin said:
We obviously can't just forbid players from making reports against someone, because they weren't directly involved in the situation. "muh immersion" being ruined is enough to report it for such.

There's no immersion to be had on the forums. If you see it in-game, I don't care either way, report it or whatever. This is specifically for the forum rule. Witnessing someone break a rule in a video should generally not generate an action request by an uninvolved party.

Foga · 2026-05-25T10:32:50+0100

Exnem said:
Same can be applied inversely. Excessive pursuit of "order" will eventually exhaust a playerbase's patience and enthusiasm. There's a time and a place to apply that metaphor, but this is not it. In most cases where things go too far, a report is made and the player in question is dealt with. Knowing when to be relaxed around the rules is something you learn over time, and is a key part of moderation.

If you want to be this particular about this, we all know nobody can realistically follow every law at all times as a government employee. At some point you will run a stop sign, end up on the wrong side of the road or forget to indicate. Wanna start pursuing reports for these instances?
At some point you have to know when to relax.

There's no immersion to be had on the forums. If you see it in-game, I don't care either way, report it or whatever. This is specifically for the forum rule. Witnessing someone break a rule in a video should generally not generate an action request by an uninvolved party.

again this is literally the slippery slope argument you have been allowed to make reports on videos from other players for months and we havent seen this hell world you speak of

Exnem · 2026-05-25T10:35:29+0100

Foga said:
again this is literally the slippery slope argument you have been allowed to make reports on videos from other players for months and we havent seen this hell world you speak of

And, inversely, rules have been enforced on a discretionary basis in a relaxed environment based on context for years, and there is still nothing suggesting that players fall down this slope that you're suggesting. You're blowing smoke.

2112 · 2026-05-25T10:36:51+0100

Exnem said:
And, inversely, rules have been enforced on a discretionary basis in a relaxed environment based on context for years, and there is still nothing suggesting that players fall down this slope that you're suggesting. You're blowing smoke.

i think i should submit a court case, because from history books and photos at the time, british people were killing other nations. so we should report them because it shows them killing people.

Clarky · 2026-05-25T10:37:49+0100

Tilin said:
We obviously can't just forbid players from making reports against someone, because they weren't directly involved in the situation. "muh immersion" being ruined is enough to report it for such. Oftentimes the reported players also make no attempt to do the messing about in an area that is away from the general server population - which also isn't okay.

I do see where you are coming from, but I simply don't see how this could even be enforced as there's many variables that go into why someone made a report.

The inconsistency between staff members would also probably be wild, making it even more unfair when you do get punished for it.

Literally when that one guy kept making AR’s despite being banned for months already is where people would like a line to be drawn, it’s not about entirely shutting down the premise of reporting someone else when you are not involved (though that should depend on the case with context in mind, etc) even though it’s insanely petty and brings an incredibly sour flavour to the community.

What I find fucking stupid is when people scavenge through clips and montages just to find shit on them then get those punished when NO ONE had an issue involved in a actual scenario and it’s not just people pissing about.

This rule change is just to try filter out those who abuse the system, giving staff the discretion to actually deal with those who are just doing it to upset people by getting them warned or even banned by something that (again) affected no one to the point of escalating it to a server punishment - it’s obvious malicious behaviour portrayed by at least one member of the community recently.

Tilin · 2026-05-25T10:57:35+0100

As much as I agree with some of everyone's points, I'll play the devil's advocate for a moment:

These clips being posted publicly and shared, sometimes makes people believe that those actions are okay - sometimes they even end up being used as references within reports to show "But this person did it, posted it and it was okay".

And a lot of times people are bothered by those rulebreaks, but just can't be arsed to look like the bad guy, so they end up not reporting it - I think every staff member in an organization can attest to that (direct reports, but too lazy for the F6 button)

The point of ARs is not only to report something, but they are also public so the playerbase gets an insight into our moderation practices.

And I will agree with @Exnem that overenforcing rules can definitely be problematic, however showing a pattern of disregard for the enforcement of something does lead people into believing it's okay. But I also won't sit here and agree that being super strict about everything is the way forward either.

"Back in my day" we'd bury our minging clips and not share them publicly (or at least wait until nobody would punish you for it anymore). It was expected that if we'd post ourselves doing something stupid, that we'd also get punished for it.

dankor · 2026-05-25T11:14:04+0100

Tilin said:
As much as I agree with some of everyone's points, I'll play the devil's advocate for a moment:

These clips being posted publicly and shared, sometimes makes people believe that those actions are okay - sometimes they even end up being used as references within reports to show "But this person did it, posted it and it was okay".

And a lot of times people are bothered by those rulebreaks, but just can't be arsed to look like the bad guy, so they end up not reporting it - I think every staff member in an organization can attest to that (direct reports, but too lazy for the F6 button)

The point of ARs is not only to report something, but they are also public so the playerbase gets an insight into our moderation practices.

And I will agree with @Exnem that overenforcing rules can definitely be problematic, however showing a pattern of disregard for the enforcement of something does lead people into believing it's okay. But I also won't sit here and agree that being super strict about everything is the way forward either.

"Back in my day" we'd bury our minging clips and not share them publicly (or at least wait until nobody would punish you for it anymore). It was expected that if we'd post ourselves doing something stupid, that we'd also get punished for it.

+rep

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