Claimed Action Request (Dr.Alex)

[Teemo]

Your Steam Name: Teemo
Your Roleplay Name: Christopher Cantu
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:81757952

Player's Steam Name: Dr.Alex
Player's Roleplay Name: Bobby Boilling
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:577075099

Why should this player be punished?: 2.5 - Excessive to kill me after mugging under the pretense of "talk again and you're dead". When the threat was first issued, I complied and stopped speaking. Then around 20-30seconds (I believe) after , once the mugging had been completed and the "sit" was done and GP had stopped, I called the mugging cringe, which prompted the user to try and convince his friend to shoot me, then when they did not, shot me themselves.

This prevented me from being able to perform revenge and recover my items and the kill was a clear way to prevent that. I had a clear description of all characters involved and me/my org would have recovered my items soon after.

Evidence Link: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mkxVHeuAIfXG0R0iI?invite=cr-MSxFRXMsNDQ0ODIyNzY3&v=16

 

[Teemo]

@Vollgas

 

[dr.alex]

Your Steam Name: Teemo
Your Roleplay Name: Christopher Cantu
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:81757952

Player's Steam Name: Dr.Alex
Player's Roleplay Name: Bobby Boilling
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:577075099

Why should this player be punished?: 2.5 - Excessive to kill me after mugging under the pretense of "talk again and you're dead". When the threat was first issued, I complied and stopped speaking. Then around 20-30seconds (I believe) after , once the mugging had been completed and the "sit" was done and GP had stopped, I called the mugging cringe, which prompted the user to try and convince his friend to shoot me, then when they did not, shot me themselves.

This prevented me from being able to perform revenge and recover my items and the kill was a clear way to prevent that. I had a clear description of all characters involved and me/my org would have recovered my items soon after.

Evidence Link: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mkxVHeuAIfXG0R0iI?invite=cr-MSxFRXMsNDQ0ODIyNzY3&v=16

"talk again and you're dead".

Then around 20-30seconds (I believe) after , once the mugging had been completed and the "sit" was done and GP had stopped, I called the mugging cringe,

I mean I told u.

 

[Teemo]

"talk again and you're dead".

Then around 20-30seconds (I believe) after , once the mugging had been completed and the "sit" was done and GP had stopped, I called the mugging cringe,

I mean I told u.

If i had spoken directly after that I'd agree with you, however the situation was complete, you had my items and using such a broad command that meant anytime within your vicinity (even when you're no longer focused on me or gunpointing me) as an excuse to kill me and prevent revenge is excessive.

 

[Brian Hickman]

my friend the mugging doesnt end till we leave u believing it ends its ur fault (I tired so hard and got so far in the end it doesnt even matterrr)

INVOLVED

 

[Teemo]

my friend the mugging doesnt end till we leave u believing it ends its ur fault (I tired so hard and got so far in the end it doesnt even matterrr)

INVOLVED

Productive response, if you are saying that you're extending that mugging past the point of taking my items and zip tying me, you're then kidnapping me.

 

[dr.alex]

If i had spoken directly after that I'd agree with you, however the situation was complete, you had my items and using such a broad command that meant anytime within your vicinity (even when you're no longer focused on me or gunpointing me) as an excuse to kill me and prevent revenge is excessive.

My friend u was actively being mugged and spoke...

 

[Teemo]

My items had been taken in the beginning of the clip, you then both begin to converse with each other and pay no heed to me. When the command was issued it was when you were actively mugging me and taking my items.
What purpose did me not talking benefit you after I have been mugged?

 

[Brian Hickman]

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my friend u were speaking when i was still mugging u ahhaha

 

[Teemo]

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my friend u were speaking when i was still mugging u ahhaha

I stopped speaking when I was proactively being gunpointed and the issue was me talking? Then continued once the threat was over and it was seemingly fine for me to speak again as you had stopped gunpointing me, walked off and celebrated your gains. If I ignored it directly after you said it then valid, not on the basis that you've stopped the threat + active command.



Further point to add - the threat comes across as when you are gunpointing me that is when your friend wanted silence. An indefinite command of don't talk or die is mental, are you killing someone for saying 8 words after you've walked away and stopped GP?

 

[Brian Hickman]

threat is over? why u yapping so much threat wasnt over when we was there i was still actively mugging u as u can see in the clip and u spoke calling us cringe clearly the threat was not over

 

[Teemo]

threat is over? why u yapping so much threat wasnt over when we was there i was still actively mugging u as u can see in the clip and u spoke calling us cringe clearly the threat was not over

You can see Bobby clearly run away from me and stop the GP, therefore you want the command to be an indefinite silence until you decide the sit is over, regardless of whether I'm still being gunpointed or not. The command was given under gunpoint, I respected and followed that command. The gunpoint was finished and you guys were sat yapping so there was no clear reason for silence, I was not screaming for help or anything that would compromsie you guys.
Did you want me to walk around in fear that if I spoke the mysterious mugger man would appear and shoot me?

 

[dr.alex]

You can see Bobby clearly run away from me and stop the GP, therefore you want the command to be an indefinite silence until you decide the sit is over, regardless of whether I'm still being gunpointed or not. The command was given under gunpoint, I respected and followed that command. The gunpoint was finished and you guys were sat yapping so there was no clear reason for silence, I was not screaming for help or anything that would compromsie you guys.
Did you want me to walk around in fear that if I spoke the mysterious mugger man would appear and shoot me?

Get over it and wait for the staff to respond.

 

[Teemo]

W

Get over it and wait for the staff to respond.

Shall do, have a good day

 

[Vollgas]

 

[Vollgas]

The point of instructing someone to be quiet while mugging them is to stop them from attracting attention to themselves, worsen communication between muggers (for example, through mic-spamming), or call for assistance. In this case, you just shot him after taunting him and after he had been mugged and over a minimal amount of words. Not only did this bring no real benefit to yourselves, but the shooting and the chatting you had been doing also brought much more attention to yourselves than the mugged person did at any point. Furthermore, you did this in the middle of the road, meaning that you really were not concerned about Teemo causing you to get caught or anything similar. Telling someone to be quiet just to have the excuse to execute them when they respond to your taunts or make a minimal comment is a blatant breach of 2.5. By shooting them, you also took away his chance to retrieve his items through a forced withdrawal.

While I do believe that the reported user is majorly at fault here, I also think that Teemo broke 3.4 by calling the muggers "cringe" while he had been told not to speak under the threat of being shot and with no real way of defending himself. Insulting the people who are keeping you hostage/are mugging you, especially when they have told you to be quiet, is a breach of 3.4.

Considering all of this, I am willing to not punish any of the parties as long as the mugged items are returned. Both parties will have to agree to this, and otherwise I will just issue the corresponding punishments. I will not lock the thread for 48 hours so you can respond to whether you agree to this arrangement or not here.

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[Teemo]

Sounds agreeable to me

 

[Vollgas]

I will discuss this with SMT and get back with an answer.