Action Request (GOAT)

[Exnem]

Your Steam Name: Exnem
Your Roleplay Name: Ryo Yoshida
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:56233091

Player's Steam Name: GOAT
Player's Forum Name: @barkerd7
Player's Roleplay Name: Aaron Williams
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:29930219

Why should this player be punished?: 3.4 - User initiated a pursuit over simple traffic violations which needlessly evolved into a shootout.

GOAT and his friends did not have any active warrants and were not BOLO for anything remotely violent at the time of the incident, being wanted for simply violating 12.8 and 12.12. This is not nearly enough to start a shootout for.

Evidence Link:

Additional media that was added in replies:

Other notes: @Tarone Idrin (mohammed) was directly involved in this incident and may be able to provide some input on this.

Edit: @Tarone Idrin (mohammed) has provided their POV here: https://streamable.com/437ewf

 

[barkerd7]

At the time of the incident, I had every reason to believe I was actively BOLO’d and wanted for serious crimes. Just prior, I had participated in a raiding spree, multiple murders, a carjacking, and had knocked out an RC member. I had also been involved in around three separate pursuits in the same NLR.


I do not possess the organization perk that allows a player to check their BOLO/warrant status, so I could only act based on the information and context I had IC. Given my recent actions and the nature of the charges I expected, I reasonably assumed police would treat me as a high-risk suspect.


Furthermore, the officer’s statement that I was only wanted for two traffic offenses is inconsistent with the charges they actually applied to me. As shown in the provided screenshot, I was given six separate traffic charges, along with ten additional charges unrelated to traffic. Even the traffic charges alone would have resulted in a lengthy sentence (8+ years IC).


In summary, my actions were based on an IC belief supported by recent events that I was actively BOLO’d for violent crimes, and that I faced severe consequences if apprehended. My roleplay decisions were made in good faith within the context of the situation as I understood it.

In conclusion, what concerns me most is the double standard at play. While the officer is attempting to hold me strictly to the rules, he is not holding himself to the same level of accountability in portraying events and charges truthfully in real time. Rules should not be weaponized against players!

https://imgur.com/64hvLFf

 

[mimeyy]

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Clearing a few things up:
Charges do not stack, instead only the most severe charge has its punishments applied.
The officer was traveling in the roadway behind you when you abruptly stopped and later backed into his vehicle. These traffic offenses were the reason a traffic stop was attempted, and did not carry any serious charges worth evading over.

If you were being pursued for the serious crimes recently committed, the officer would have had their lights/sirens clearly activated prior to you colliding with their vehicle.

The charges applied after you were shot and revived all stemmed from your minor traffic offense which could have been resolved with a simple stop (or avoided altogether by driving properly in front of the PD while you believed yourself to be warranted).

With this new information in mind, are you able to justify the events following the collision?

 

[barkerd7]

In the events leading up to this situation, the police had consistently failed to stop me despite numerous pursuits and opportunities. I had escaped them so many times that it became clear they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do their jobs effectively. This repeated failure eroded any sense of respect I had for them as a legitimate threat. By the time of this incident, I had every reason to believe they had already given up on catching me especially for what I assumed were over BOLO warrants tied to the murders during the raiding spree. In fact, the RC member I had knocked out died, adding yet another murder to my record, and this had happened only shortly before the pursuit. With only two units on duty at the time, I didn’t see driving/stopping right by PD or officers as a serious risk at all.

 

[barkerd7]

Looking back, I can admit I should have known better when it came to how the charges actually worked. With that in mind, I still believed there were active BOLO warrants or DNA evidence tying me to at least one of the murders, which further reinforced my decision to avoid being arrested at all cost

 

[Exnem]

Could you explain the consistent taunting? You and your friends kept driving by police basically asking for a pursuit.

 

[barkerd7]

Regarding the claim of “consistent taunting,” I acknowledge that repeatedly driving near police could be seen as provoking a reaction. However, this behavior stemmed largely from previous failed pursuit attempts where the police consistently lost track of me and my friends despite serious offenses, These repeated failures led to a diminished respect for law enforcement’s ability to effectively stop us, which influenced my actions. While I admit that some of this was immature and unwise, it was not meant as intentional provocation but rather a reaction to what I perceived as ineffective policing.

 

[barkerd7]

In reference to mimeyy's response to the Action Request, I want to clarify that many of the traffic violations cited could have resulted from the numerous prior pursuits I was involved in. These earlier attempts to stop me contributed to the accumulation of charges, not solely the incident described. This context further explains why I believed the police had largely given up on effectively apprehending me, reinforcing my perception of diminished risk.

 

[barkerd7]

additionaly only reason I stopped was because my car was right about to run out of gas after consistently losing the police in the many pursuits leading up to this, I had no choice but to stop.

 

[Exnem]

The flaw in your reasoning is that if you even remotely suspected that you were wanted for violent crimes, the correct course of action is to take the path that would lead to the least police interaction. I knew what you were trying to do and completely ignored you because of it.
The same way you think police weren't capable of catching you and sitting right in front of them is the same reason I didn't pay any attention to you, and the initial video provided in the OP proves exactly why I didn't care. It devolved into a shootout for no reason which is why I was in no hurry to engage with you.

Seeing as you've skirted around the question by providing vague answers, I'll just throw in some extra footage from my demo of what I'm talking about.

[Video A]

[Video B]

Both of these videos, posted in order of appearance, occurred before the video in OP. A rough estimate says this happened 10-30 minutes before.

In Video A, you decide to drive away from what was clearly going to be a ticket for illegal parking, as I had warned you from stopping there or you would be fined for it. It appeared that @Tarone Idrin (mohammed) had some prior interaction with you, and I told him to hold his fire seeing as he appeared frustrated about it, as seen in parts of Video B.

Your 16 charges stemmed from all of the traffic violations, gun usage and violent crimes, which were all kept strictly contained to the single incident that sparked the pursuit, all the way to the shootout in the video from the OP. I threw the book at you because you were being a nuisance. It's funny that you had the audacity to ask me what was taking so long when being booked despite you spending forever wasting my time with your self-serving activities.

For some further clarification, the idle time seen in some of the footage is me busy responding to H&S tickets and returning lost props to people.

 

[barkerd7]

While I acknowledge there was some level of taunting involved, it stemmed directly from the repeated failures of police to stop me during prior pursuits, which led to a genuine lack of respect for law enforcement’s ability to control the situation. You claim you were “ignoring” me, but the reality was you had effectively given up on trying to catch me. My actions reflected a realistic response within RP to a pattern of ineffective policing, not reckless defiance without cause. I believe I have nothing more to add and have made things as clear as I possibly can from my perspective.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Regarding the claim of “consistent taunting,” I acknowledge that repeatedly driving near police could be seen as provoking a reaction. However, this behavior stemmed largely from previous failed pursuit attempts where the police consistently lost track of me and my friends despite serious offenses, These repeated failures led to a diminished respect for law enforcement’s ability to effectively stop us, which influenced my actions. While I admit that some of this was immature and unwise, it was not meant as intentional provocation but rather a reaction to what I perceived as ineffective policing.

You guys also had a friend keep making false 911 calls regarding kidnapping and driving by us consistently this led to 2 pursuits in which u would make 911s with your friend and drive on the wrong side of the highway because of this also. This isn't some pd problem but you decided to be disrespectful and take advantage of others due to 2-5 cops on at the time therefore resulting in your friends death (Roger dolan), the repeated sweater making 911s and yours too for no reason? Also lingering around the city and driving on the wrong side of the road caused more harm than good as this was just escalating the pursuit you was simply just minging because there was like 2 cops on at the time.


https://streamable.com/437ewf here is a additional pov

 

[Exnem]

In conclusion, what concerns me most is the double standard at play. While the officer is attempting to hold me strictly to the rules, he is not holding himself to the same level of accountability in portraying events and charges truthfully in real time. Rules should not be weaponized against players!

Care to elaborate on this? You've laid down a blanket statement and provided no context on which to base it on. It helps you to provide some more information when you want to accuse someone of something. Maybe provide an example?

And yes, I agree. Those who weaponize the rules by holding past actions over someone over a prolonged period of time aren't welcome here. I fail to see the relevance here though. The only loose connection to this that I can see is me bringing new evidence into this AR, however this is directly tied to my statement above:

Could you explain the consistent taunting? You and your friends kept driving by police basically asking for a pursuit.

I said this without posting evidence of what I was talking about, which is what prompted me to post even more footage of the connected incidents. This isn't me piling on more rulebreaks on you, I am further reinforcing my argument that you broke the same rule, 3.4, on several occasions as is what I was originally pointing out.

Your perception of police capabilities bears no weight in the face of 3.4. Regardless of what you believe to be the case, whether it be incompetence, ignorance or something else; your continued loitering around police when you know that they're looking for you is a blatant violation of 3.4. There are no variable parameters to 3.4, if you loiter around an incompetent officer after having committed a murder, you'd still be breaking 3.4 at the end of the day as sitting around them still poses an unnecessary risk to your freedom.

 

[mimeyy]

At the time of the incident, I had every reason to believe I was actively BOLO’d and wanted for serious crimes. Just prior, I had participated in a raiding spree, multiple murders, a carjacking, and had knocked out an RC member. I had also been involved in around three separate pursuits in the same NLR.

None of this had happened in your current life at the time, aside from the pursuits.

Thank you for the added information @Exnem

Nobody in the vehicle had a warrant, I will reach out to the two passengers about why they decided to pull weapons and start firing after the pursuit ended, and have this updated within 24 hours.