Ban Dispute (JJB)

[Foga]

Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @JJB
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 2 Weeks

Your Steam Name: Foga
Your Roleplay Name: John Sleen
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:516830767

Why were you punished?: 3.4, 3.20 - User pulled a gun out under direct gunpoint. Disconnected with an open report

Why should this appeal be considered?: 1- 3.20 my game crashed. i atttempted to discord dm him then i pinged him in perp discord. a few minutes later i was able to recconect and type in help "game crashed and f6 closed @JJB"

2- He says "hands up" the second i pull my gun out in my spot i belive its reasonable to think he will shoot me here as he shoot through the door and killed my friends. he gives the order under gunpoint far to late for me to belive he wants me to surrender. slowed down video to show he says hands up as my gun comes out

i would be willing to do wave analysis to show he says hands up as i get my gun out if requested

3- as you can see in the clip my i click 2 and then left click for my Deagle but it does not come out maybe this is a glitch this wouldnt have happened if this glitch didnt occur.

I would also like to say i apologised in the f6 however now having the chance to fully review i don't think I broke the rules

 

[Foga]

you can check server chat logs for me typing to jjb in help this discconect was not intentional and i logged in a few minutes after

 

[JJB]

Hello, I saw I got pinged and as a result removed the 3.20 part already from your ban reason.

As for the 3.4 part, ill leave it to the other members of staff to review.

 

[Foga]

here is previous precident for this as you can see in the clip i attempted to pull my gun the exact second he says hands up i was under no order to surrender

 

[Foga]

here i have slowed down the video to show he says hands up as i pull my gun out

 

[Lucius Husky]

Although the commands were issued later, generally gunpoint starts as soon as a gun is pointed at you as this is the moment your life is at a reasonable danger/threat. Your death clearly demonstrates this in the clip as you died almost instantly when pulling the weapon, this would've happened regardless of their voice commands or not.

This can differ in specific situations, especially when someone is at a greater distance or if you can perhaps get cover and possibly some other factors. But generally a gun being pointed is the specific part of gunpoint that makes it 3.4 when you pull weapons or run away.

Therefor we deem this punishment valid and it will remain on your record.

Reviewed by: @Galle, @Matthew, @DemonZ, @MangoFracht423, @Creepis, @g lonk and myself.