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Punishment Type: Ban
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @Medium
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 2 Days
Your Steam Name: Besian420
Your Roleplay Name: Besian ali
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:158204263
Why were you punished?: 2.5 - User shot a player who was not visibly armed for being near his friend stealing a car he associated with”
Why should this appeal be considered?: I believe this appeal should be considered, because I feel I did not break the boundaries of rule 2.5. The rule states that: “You must not seriously harm someone else's experience unless it is a fair and reasonable response to their negative actions against you”.
The build-up: (https://streamable.com/7ewf4m)
I believe the prior situations that lead up to this event, were not considered in the ruling regarding my decision to shoot the player in the grey car. The situation started when we were driving around the city, while him, and his friend were in their car(s) continuously baiting us to raid them, or to start a fight with them, because we were rivals with them. They followed us around the city, requesting us to raid their own base (southgate), and generally baiting us trying to initiate a gun fight. We continuously attempted to ignore this, even though we felt this behaviour was against rules (which is why Willie made an action request on them).
The gas station situation: (https://streamable.com/t11ktk)
Following up, the situation continued at the city gas station, where we picked up one of our allies in our car. The two players saw this, and decided to start crowbarring the car the ally came out of, knowing we were still there. This was done just to instigate a firefight with us.
Because of the crowbarring of our allied car basically next to us, we jumped out, and shot the person that was crowbarring the car. Naturally, because they’ve been baiting us together since the beginning, we knew that they were both together. The moment we hopped out and started shooting at the carjacker, the other person is seen jumping out of his car, and attempting to run behind it for cover to pull his weapon. This is also seen in his own clip that has been used for the report. (https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mqpxiJImRszdRS68Z?invite=cr-MSxSNWUsNjE3MzcyOA&v=4)
Valuing my own life, and my friends life, we decided to shoot the person to avoid him shooting us. We knew he was a threat by the fact he was continuously baiting to fight us, seen in the previously mentioned video. His own actions caused himself to get shot. The person could’ve chosen to stay in his car, drive off, or put his hands up upon getting out, and the situation would’ve turned out different. Instead he decided to run for cover and attempt to pull his weapon and fight back, which caused his death. I believe because of this, and the situation leading up to it, I did not break 2.5.
Additional Information: More info regarding the situation can be seen in Willie Kushner's Action request regarding the same situation. I am also able to provide a demo for a better view of the whole situation, and the events leading up to it that contributed, if requested. https://perpheads.com/threads/action-request-mak.75360/
Punishment Subtype: Server Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @Medium
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 2 Days
Your Steam Name: Besian420
Your Roleplay Name: Besian ali
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:158204263
Why were you punished?: 2.5 - User shot a player who was not visibly armed for being near his friend stealing a car he associated with”
Why should this appeal be considered?: I believe this appeal should be considered, because I feel I did not break the boundaries of rule 2.5. The rule states that: “You must not seriously harm someone else's experience unless it is a fair and reasonable response to their negative actions against you”.
The build-up: (https://streamable.com/7ewf4m)
I believe the prior situations that lead up to this event, were not considered in the ruling regarding my decision to shoot the player in the grey car. The situation started when we were driving around the city, while him, and his friend were in their car(s) continuously baiting us to raid them, or to start a fight with them, because we were rivals with them. They followed us around the city, requesting us to raid their own base (southgate), and generally baiting us trying to initiate a gun fight. We continuously attempted to ignore this, even though we felt this behaviour was against rules (which is why Willie made an action request on them).
The gas station situation: (https://streamable.com/t11ktk)
Following up, the situation continued at the city gas station, where we picked up one of our allies in our car. The two players saw this, and decided to start crowbarring the car the ally came out of, knowing we were still there. This was done just to instigate a firefight with us.
Because of the crowbarring of our allied car basically next to us, we jumped out, and shot the person that was crowbarring the car. Naturally, because they’ve been baiting us together since the beginning, we knew that they were both together. The moment we hopped out and started shooting at the carjacker, the other person is seen jumping out of his car, and attempting to run behind it for cover to pull his weapon. This is also seen in his own clip that has been used for the report. (https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mqpxiJImRszdRS68Z?invite=cr-MSxSNWUsNjE3MzcyOA&v=4)
Valuing my own life, and my friends life, we decided to shoot the person to avoid him shooting us. We knew he was a threat by the fact he was continuously baiting to fight us, seen in the previously mentioned video. His own actions caused himself to get shot. The person could’ve chosen to stay in his car, drive off, or put his hands up upon getting out, and the situation would’ve turned out different. Instead he decided to run for cover and attempt to pull his weapon and fight back, which caused his death. I believe because of this, and the situation leading up to it, I did not break 2.5.
Additional Information: More info regarding the situation can be seen in Willie Kushner's Action request regarding the same situation. I am also able to provide a demo for a better view of the whole situation, and the events leading up to it that contributed, if requested. https://perpheads.com/threads/action-request-mak.75360/
