[Debate] Which Political party is the strongest, and why? (UK)

[Ayjay]

Hi there, I haven't posted in a while and I thought that I'd give this a go. It was suggested by me and a number of other community members a while ago, but sadly got denied by Senior Administration. This thread is simply for trial purposes so Senior Administration and the community as a whole can see if adding a 'debate' section would be a good idea.

Obvious basic conduct rules apply, and anything said off topic (not related) can you please use OFT: and then ONT: to differeniate what text is related to the OP (Original Posters) question.

By no means am I listing rules here, however this could be a way which a Debate could be set out. Basic conduct rules obviously apply and everything below is what you'd see in a standard Debate thread:

The topic of this Debate is:
What political Party do you think is the 'strongest' and why?

My personal opinion:

I feel that currently I am fairly conscious towards voting anybody for the next election when I can vote, no party seems to be 'that' party which has good morals along with good policies which they could incorporate into the system to make it better. I do feel that UKIP (United Kingdom Indepedence party) have good points and policies such as that immigrants should be allowed to come over if they have a skillset, have a job and accomodation already place and have the right to become a Citizen after 5 years of living in our country.

I'm fairly contervertial towards voting in the upcoming election simply because I do not feel any party is strong enough to actually become in power of the country. David Cameron has completley messed up at times, however he has sometimes had good points due to some of the people within Parliment who have swayed his decision. If we can't have a good decision maker as our Leader; how can we trust the decision of his Party?



However, our main parties currently stand as
What do you think? Post your opinion below.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Green party have a potential to succeed Whilst I would like it to be UKIP, with our current FPTP electoral system in the UK it would have to be a damn miracle for them to achieve a majority (326 MP's or more). I think personally the Conservatives are the Strongest party. They're the oldest (Lib dems used to be the Liberals till they split in the 70's). i think this is because we are quite a conservative country. However once this "fear of islam and terrorists" etc has passed, a socialist party would be in power. However if it continues then we will see the rise of the Conservatives like in the 80's or Nationalist parties like UKIP (As BNP have no potential and EDL aren't even a political party)

 

[JJannui]

Going to keep this short but if i could vote, it would be Conservatives.
We need a strong economy and Conservatives have proven themselves at doing just that. In my opinion Labour have failed to ever get my vote as they were in government during the 2008 recession. Who got us out of it and back into a healthy economy? Conservatives.
My opinion to keep a good country going is a strong economy that can stand on its on two feet and doesn't force a lot of taxes.
"Labour see something moving and tax it on sight" -- Some random guy on radio

That's why, if i could vote, my vote for be with conservative.

 

[Ayjay]

recession

Going to keep this short but if i could vote, it would be Conservatives.
We need a strong economy and Conservatives have proven themselves at doing just that. In my opinion Labour have failed to ever get my vote as they were in government during the 2008 recession. Who got us out of it and back into a healthy economy? Conservatives.
My opinion to keep a good country going is a strong economy that can stand on its on two feet and doesn't force a lot of taxes.
"Labour see something moving and tax it on sight" -- Some random guy on radio

That's why, if i could vote, my vote for be with conservative.

What do you mean?

Proven theirselves, yeah because all of the policies which they promised our country have been given to us? Right?
No, wrong.

Our country is on the decline and the only reason we got out of that double dip recession is simply due to the 2012 olympics which gave us enough money to get by but then due to the current goverment we have in power we dived straight back into that shit circle and are now back in recession yet again.

The conservitive party absolutely destroyed all trust with England, and that is why they should not gain power.

 

[JJannui]

What do you mean?

Proven theirselves, yeah because all of the policies which they promised our country have been given to us? Right?
No, wrong.

Our country is on the decline and the only reason we got out of that double dip recession is simply due to the 2012 olympics which gave us enough money to get by but then due to the current goverment we have in power we dived straight back into that shit circle and are now back in recession yet again.

The conservitive party absolutely destroyed all trust with England, and that is why they should not gain power.

I knew someone would bring that up. I still feel that Conservative are a vital part into keeping a good, strong economy in England. However, your points are completely valid and that is what a lot of the people of England are thinking.
However, the average citizen of England are all thinking the same thing:
I want NHS, Police, Help for homeless, Help for people in need etc.

However, last year i did a charity venue and there was a homeless person sat on the other side of the road. I was having a conversation with a mate and he said that Labour is the way to go to help people in need and to keep people happy. The homeless man over the road will not re-gain his dignity back, won't be given the courage to go out and get a job, won't be given the physical and mental help he needs by Labour going into Government. Labour just provide, what the people think, is the best for everyone. But No.

 

[Zayne]

Personally, I feel that the Labour party is the 'strongest' party in the United Kingdom at this moment. This is because I agree with their thoughts and opinions on certain topics and issues are similar to my beliefs.

Read more about the Labour party.
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EDIT:
My main concern with the amongst the current issues in the United Kingdom at the moment are with the controls on immigration. Immigration control is having a large impact on today in many different ways such as the social aspect, working aspect, etc.
The Labour Paty aims to create a more sufficient immigration system which makes it tougher and more fair to gain access into the United Kingdom, such as:

• Stronger border controls: they will make it easier to deport foreign criminals, check people in and out of the country, and do more to stop illegal immigration.
  
  
• A smarter system of controls: so we get the top talent and investment we need, whilst controlling low skilled migration.
  
  
• Fair rules at work: a new law which they are creating to prevent employers undercutting wages by exploiting immigration, and banning agencies from recruiting only from abroad.
  
  
• Earned entitlements: people coming here won’t be able to claim benefits for at least two years.
  
  
• Integration, not divided communities: people working in public services in public facing roles will be required to speak English.
  

 

[Chrissy]

Conservatives: Squeeze the fuck out of our public services, particularly the NHS until they burst then hand over PFI contracts which lead to worse patient care overall and general inefficiency.
UKIP: Complete and utter joke. Some good points raised but that's the same with every party. They are not mature enough to take government.
Labour: Probably the party I hate the least. They can't work under the leadership of Edbae and nor is their track record very good.
Libdem: Spineless bastards, fucked us all over with the tuition fees U-Turn. Even if I agree with most of their policies they lose all of my respect for being pushovers.
Greens: Some excellent ideas and they're a fresh new face. But then their leader (i forget her name) has said some stupid things regarding ISIS that just demonstrates their immaturity as a party.

That's the major(ish) ones covered. I don't see any outright government but another hung parliament and another term with a joke coalition.
UK politics need to change.

 

[Standish]

Greens - They have the basis for a good party, but I don't believe they would be able to effectively manage a country with their limited knowledge, there ideas are good and wholesome from any point of view, but they aren't practical. They have good policies that allow for less corruption, I.E you can 'donate' by becoming a member of the party, this means you pay a monthly fee of around £5, this is good as you don't get people running the show from behind the curtains that aren't actually part of the party, they do it for money, I.E someone donating large sums of money for a share in the party.

UKIP - They have been gaining power ever since this 'all Muslims are terrorists' bollocks kicked off, yes, they might have fresh ideas that explain the future of the country, but who knows what will happen with such a radical step forward from our traditions, Nigel might be an honest British man who truthfully wants what is best for his 'people', but as some people say, the truth hurts; in this case it will cause too much uncertainty that isn't worth risking.

Conservatives - Alright people, they just get slaughtered by people as they don't fully explain what they're doing and how it will benefit people in the long run, people have also lost trust/respect for digital Dave, so whatever goes I guess. If they have plans with all the money they have been saving, they would need to be elected again in order to fully apply them.

Labour - Pretty much UKIP but more left wing

SNP - Fuck off, nobody actually wants you and Squidward to botch anything up.

Lib Dems - Who are you, jog on, your leader is a side-show who rims anyone that can prop him up.

If I could vote, I would stay conservative, but I would vote green as their policies are pretty good, but I don't feel they know what they're doing.

 

[Trande]

I honestly have no idea how you find out which is the strongest party, but I'll just shit my opinion on here, and let you tell me which party I consider strong. Stalin.

1. Alrighty, I consider myself as Socialist liberal. Nope, doesn't make a commie, like Stalin, or Lenin, sorry Duffy. I think a free market is needed, since it is the foundation of a strong economy, nothing against it. It's a fact. On the otherside it has to be controlled. I don't want the big companies just to throw around what they like e.g. building cartels, GM food. The people, not the companies should hold the stick in their hands. Someone has more money than he could ever spend in his lifetime? Then he should give this money to the poor, people who can't even feed themselves. I know, many of you think "But man, he earned it himself?" Yes, he did. But we made him rich, he would be a steaming pile of shit without us. It's even in the German constitution but le Merkel gets money from them, so she's quiet. Capitalism, alright, but with it's bondaries to counter social unrest and the gap between rich and poor.

2. My views on immigration are quite simple. You're welcome, if you want to work. Fuck off, if you don't. I am also pro refugee. We shouldn't even debate about this. Everyone who's against refugee's is simply a murderer in my eyes. Harsh, but sorry. People are dying in Syria, becuase of the IS and other various groups. It's not their fault, so why should they die for it? I'd like to hear an answer. Still, we should get even more refugees. THe problem at the moment is that the bureaucracy is limiting our capacity. They don't have a year to fill out paperwork? Even a day more could mean the death of many people.

3. Environment. The climate change is a fact, fuck you UKIP (Sorry, Duffy.) No more coal power plants, no more nuclear power plants. But still, nuclear energy is one of the safest, we shouldn't build more, but keep the ones we have for longer. Solar and wind energy ftw.

I don't know which party matches my believes, but in my opinion the strongest party is simply the one with the most money. People don't vote based on facts, they vote based on who has the best stories to tell.

 

[MattIs]

I will vote conservative for the following reasons:

• They are pretty much in the middle now, labour are way too far left and UKIP is too far right for my liking.
• I think they've done a great job with the economy.
• They've reformed immigration.
• However, the Lib Dem and Greens drug policy is pretty damn good.
• I also believe in saving the environment and generating fuel through the means of nuclear fission rather than coal

 

[EVIL]

UKIP:

• Blamed last years flood and storms on the government's decision to legalise gay marriage.
• Farage himself stated the congestion on the M4 motorway was due to open-door immigration.
• UKIP MEP used the phrase 'bongo-bongo land' to describe countries receiving government aid.

Conservative:

Pretty much sums it up...

 

[MrAaron]

I actually think BP or whatever its called or UKIP because @MrLewis squad in school all support it.

and we have people like this mongloid

 

[Mannerwaffel]

Stronger border controls: they will make it easier to deport foreign criminals, check people in and out of the country, and do more to stop illegal immigration.

You really need better border control. My and several other european Fire Brigades went to the Modex Falck training facility earlier this year. The Fire Trucks were shipped over by ferries to the island and as usual, searched on french and english ground. But what the role-played border control of the fictional country at the training facility (the situation was a county in England named "Neverland" suffered from natural disasters so the EU send help but the crime rate in this country is very high so they were searched on the fictional border) found was a little hole in the blanket of our trailer were an illegal immigrant was hiding when we were being shipped over to travel to england. This incident was pretty pathetic and at the same time worring that the british border control did not see that hole. But for the good, he brought his own food and cigarettes and pissed in a corner where no luggage or tools lay.

 

[Ayjay]

You really need better border control. My and several other european Fire Brigades went to the Modex Falck training facility earlier this year. The Fire Trucks were shipped over by ferries to the island and as usual, searched on french and english ground. But what the role-played border control of the fictional country at the training facility (the situation was a county in England named "Neverland" suffered from natural disasters so the EU send help but the crime rate in this country is very high so they were searched on the fictional border) found was a little hole in the blanket of our trailer were an illegal immigrant was hiding when we were being shipped over to travel to england. This incident was pretty pathetic and at the same time worring that the british border control did not see that hole. But for the good, he brought his own food and cigarettes and pissed in a corner where no luggage or tools lay.

We find this every day in England, we have teams of people trying to fight the strong rise of migrants trying to escape their lives in different countries to come to ours. But with a new system, they could easily still come over without hiding and work here showcasing their skills. However, with UKIP's plan it would be hard work (Speak English, prepare accomidation, prepare work). But the thing is we need this in England, most Christian schools are 60% muslim people and that shit is scary.

We're too over-crowded. We need to keep this people out, however give people a chance to come here to work.

 

[MattIs]

Luckily it's good under 18's can't vote. Because they're all mongs. You have to be a full on mong to vote labour.
http://prntscr.com/6i0hrp
If you vote labour, you should kill yourself <3

This graph shows the FTSE (not the FTSE 100) so it includes small floated businesses. As you can see the conservative government ensured steady growth until Labour took power, the whole economy collapsed over a short period of time? Co-incidence? This all happened before the worldwide recession. They spent too much money on public sectors wages and introduced sanctions on businesses without valid reason. Yes it's nice to have an economy funded for by public sector workers, but how is this possible when Businesses fund it? It all just goes down a black hole and you get a multiplier effect, of which money is printed introducing inflation (Gordon Brown).

@Duffy

 

[Trande]

Luckily it's good under 18's can't vote. Because they're all mongs. You have to be a full on mong to vote labour.
http://prntscr.com/6i0hrp
If you vote labour, you should kill yourself <3

This graph shows the FTSE (not the FTSE 100) so it includes small floated businesses. As you can see the conservative government ensured steady growth until Labour took power, the whole economy collapsed over a short period of time? Co-incidence? This all happened before the worldwide recession. They spent too much money on public sectors wages and introduced sanctions on businesses without valid reason. Yes it's nice to have an economy funded for by public sector workers, but how is this possible when Businesses fund it? It all just goes down a black hole and you get a multiplier effect, of which money is printed introducing inflation (Gordon Brown).

@Duffy

First of all, we had recessions world wide during (roughly) 2003 and 2008(big crash). Its normal, to an extend. Your chart even shows how they got it up again in a quite low amount of time. The 2008 crash fucked it over again. The 2000s are fairly knows for their very unstable market. After Conservative took power again it went up, because of their neo-liberal economy system. It's the best for a strong and lasting economy. What's the down side then? Well, the gap widens. Poor people get poorer rich people get richer. It's fairly obvious that Socialist ideals in the economy tend to slow it down at first. I don't know what exactly they changed, so I am not going to lean out of the window. But another chart shows (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/nov/25/gdp-uk-1948-growth-economy) that your GDP even grew. Anyway, have fun living in a privatized shit-hole after your market collapses because of low pursaching power. #neoliberalism

Oh, by the way: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bank-chief-admits-recession-not-4891142

 

[Puma]

NSDAP for the win.

 

[Panda]

The greens ofc










Sarcasm

 

[CaughtRed]

Personally I couldn't care less they all pretty much offer us the same