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Fleeing Police
- Thread starter MalekIsWeird
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- #23
I'm not sure if this point has been made because there are so many comments but this is my take.
Yes - It’s absurd to flee a minor offence like a ticket or a short jail sentence. Taking the police on a high-speed chase, endangering your life and the lives of others, is not worth it for something so insignificant. Not only would you risk your car, police cars, and innocent civilian cars, but you would also be personally and financially responsible for the damage, which would cost you much more than the ticket or jail sentence.
You would also be on the hook for several other crimes which could send you away for the max.
Even fleeing on foot runs a risk of damage to police vehicles, equipment costs, wasted police time and potential life long injuries from being tasered or hit by a nightstick.
In addition to this 3.4 risk to your life or freedom. Running from a 750$ ticket and going to jail is risking your freedom for no reason.
Yes - It’s absurd to flee a minor offence like a ticket or a short jail sentence. Taking the police on a high-speed chase, endangering your life and the lives of others, is not worth it for something so insignificant. Not only would you risk your car, police cars, and innocent civilian cars, but you would also be personally and financially responsible for the damage, which would cost you much more than the ticket or jail sentence.
You would also be on the hook for several other crimes which could send you away for the max.
Even fleeing on foot runs a risk of damage to police vehicles, equipment costs, wasted police time and potential life long injuries from being tasered or hit by a nightstick.
In addition to this 3.4 risk to your life or freedom. Running from a 750$ ticket and going to jail is risking your freedom for no reason.
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- #26
Imho this is an exception. If both parties are okay with it, then I, myself, am fine with it and have done so in the past (years ago).
Most actions are fine with 2 consenting parties, as long as they don't disturb someone
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That statement on it's own is fine, but to think its a catalyst to bring up the following strawman is illogical and still irrelevant. You still built weak claims about irrelevant rules with weak reasoning then disproved yourself as if that holds any merit or proves something regarding the main topic.
This, by definition, classifies as a strawman argument when considering the main topic is should fleeing police over any reason be allowed (3.4 discussion). It's a discussion regarding 3.4 which has nothing to do with 2.5, 3.3, 3.11 or 4.1 as they are obviously unrelated. Even if you'd still like to run with the excuse that this is all in a valiant effort to stop a domino effect, the fact it is a strawman argument is undeniable by definition.
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A rather not so deep thought that's more appropriate here is to reflect on your own implications before denying ever trying to paint out the narrative that all others who disagree are against the rules when you literally said
Which is an inaccurate and intentional exaggerated misconception of the question / main topic to disprove a point never proposed.
AGAIN, no one is disputing the rule book! The question in this thread is for people to express their feelings on the way rules work.
Do you read your own writing? You pointed out rules and claimed its common sense your opinion is right because:
"IT"S CLEARLY MENTIONED IN THE RULES!"
but miss the reality that it is not explicitly mentioned, implicitly hinted at or commonly talked about in any official document (including the 3.4 guide).
So you say that but you contradict yourself earlier when you say:
"I do not believe your intentions were that you are completely against 3.4 and u can always flee from cop,"
Really? Me saying your bad attitude and insulting first message is immature is toxic?
You're entirely convinced that in your head you're some angel who's only trying to help and should be thanked?
The joke writes itself, both of those questions are a definitive no, you really are in denial and I don't see any point in further trying to realize that but you may continue to believe that nothing I say is right and that I am just "playing victim."
Look at Tarone Idrin, Look at Tillin and look at Wescott. All 3 are an example for you to follow because they gave their opposing opinions and they were respectful about it.
Although I maintain that having a dialogue directly with people here is fine, your approach in that third person example is also valid and it's a good advice.
I dont know when is the last time you played the game or tried to make money as a criminal Blobvis, but let's look at this properly from the perspective of a criminal in this situation:
It takes 20 minutes of growing weed just to make $15,000.
It takes 40 minutes to make about $30,000 also IF I am not mistaken.
In the situation I have a hyper car, like an Audi R8 Plus, and The officer will inevitably see my scar on my back and now I am at risk of a charge on top of the loss of the 25k rifle:
7.3 Possession of Offensive Weapons
liable to 2 years maximum imprisonment, $2,500 maximum fine and asset forfeiture.Because by default a Scar-L that is illegally transported is a brandished weapon on your back, the officer may even bump it up to a brandishing charge in the case the situation escalates to an argument of aggressive nature:
7.5 Brandishing an Offensive Weapon
Which is now
liable to 3 years maximum imprisonment, $4,000 maximum fine and asset forfeiture.
Let's use a couple scenarios and let's be reasonable by saying you, the suspect, are driving a hyper car or a 90 MPH Vehicle (Keeping in mind the average PD Cruiser goes 80 MPH giving you a 10 MPH Speed advantage as the criminal).
Scenario A) You surrender
Risk A)
- You risk 2 years and $2,500 in fines.
- You risk losing $25,000 gun
- You risk losing 40 minutes of your time, not including the crafting and parts delivery, to manufacture the Scar-L and all its attachments.
- You risk more time being wasted being dragged to PD for processing.
Scenario B) You run from police in my hyper car over this crime
Risk B)
- You add 2-3 years of possible jail time and up to $2,500 of possible added fine.
Reward B)
+ You am highly likely to escape
+ You will not lose a $25,000 gun
+ You protect the loss of 40 minutes of my time spent producing the money (not including crafting time and delivery of materials),
This is just true and I understood that already.
Summarizing my earliest reply to Tarone does not justify illogical argumentation or your unprovoked toxicity.
I never claimed there should be higher fines or jail time or that the rulebook in general should be ignored in exchange for in-character punishments.
In my reply to Tarone, I made a point about it being a game to balance out his point about realism and keeping things realistic. Moreover, the point about in-character punishments in place was able to highlight that I believe in regards to the main question / topic, that those punishments are perfectly sufficient in a world where we all agree that the aforementioned Scenario B is a situation where it is OK To escape police.
So far, none of that comes close to what you're reaching for by relying on ChatGPT.
What I believe you actually proved here is show that I initially wanted to stay neutral but I decided to give my input instead to bring dialogue at the start of the thread.
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- #28
The issue again is that people don't know how to keep it moderate and continued to carry visible weaponry so they could run from officers. At least it was like that when I started playing.
All of the rules and enforcements exist because people can't keep it moderate.
It literally is relevant, I give examples upon how your opinion on the topic is shortsighted and rather just want to primarily focus on the tiniest of tiniest of part while your comment not only goes for fleeing but also invertedly creates a narrative towards other rules which face the same current consequences. This I clearly sum after the equal signs to show a sum of things to join back to the main point which is, lets say we would allow fleeing from cops, it will create an imbalance of constant fleeing and shootouts as people in perp cannot behave themselves thus for the sake of balance of the gamemode this rule should remain in place.That statement on it's own is fine, but to think its a catalyst to bring up the following strawman is illogical and still irrelevant. You still built weak claims about irrelevant rules with weak reasoning then disproved yourself as if that holds any merit or proves something regarding the main topic.
This, by definition, classifies as a strawman argument when considering the main topic is should fleeing police over any reason be allowed (3.4 discussion). It's a discussion regarding 3.4 which has nothing to do with 2.5, 3.3, 3.11 or 4.1 as they are obviously unrelated. Even if you'd still like to run with the excuse that this is all in a valiant effort to stop a domino effect, the fact it is a strawman argument is undeniable by definition.
Straw man - Wikipedia
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A rather not so deep thought that's more appropriate here is to reflect on your own implications before denying ever trying to paint out the narrative that all others who disagree are against the rules when you literally said
Which is an inaccurate and intentional exaggerated misconception of the question / main topic to disprove a point never proposed.
In no way are 2.5, 3.3, 3.11 or 4.1 unrelated as they circle back to your statement of allowing ingame punishment to stay ingame and not receiving a ban for 3.4 which will result in other rules having to be reviewed upon the same suggested change which all fall under the same tree. Your willingness to exclude them show me a shortsighted and rather focussed (TUNNEL VISION SEE BELOW) view in an attempt to discredit a valid argument.
You are literally stating this, for rules in this case 3.4 fleeing from cops to be dealt with ingame instead of punishment/ban, how is it inaccurate and intentional exaggerated misconception of the question?????
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Yet it is, it tells you not to flee over minor fines or sentences, where I do agree no SPECIFIC amounts get mentioned, I think especially people who have been in perp for a while (which in this case is a few months) clearly get told what is valid to run for through cops, friends and/or staff. To get back to minor fines or sentences would refer to, in my opinion, anything below 5 years due to the fact u will always upgrade to a 6.5/6.9 5k5y charge.
Lmao, I don't think I am an angel, I break rules all the time, I sometimes still disagree with some staff members decision. But I do base this on my 10 years of experience within the server where I have served bans for breaking 3.4, reported a shit load of people for 3.4 and banned a lot of people for 3.4. I am convinced I do know the definition of 3.4 by heart and can stand by it when questioned upon the constraints of 3.4 and what is allowed within rulebound. Where I believe your arguments go against the core rules set up ages ago by the perp owners which have never allowed you to flee from a traffic stop given it would automatically cause your imprisonment on the long run as you put your on life in danger over a simple ticket or asset forfeiture.
Tarone Idrin bashes the other side, calling people dumb, idiot, etc. What is your point there?
Tilin and Wescott are staff and has to remain civil and presentable as staff which I agree with are clear descriptive answers.
Due to the constraints of the gamemode 2-3 "years" are 2-3 minutes, they are meant to be years to show the severity of the case yet are not years because no one would be able to play it due to being in jail for so long. To allow players to enjoy the gamemodes years have been put into minutes for convenience sake.
I used to play daily criminal when could make a max of 36k an hour if u didn't get raided and the rules about fleeing where the same, I know more of gun prices, drugs prices and everything among it even though I have reached the state I don't need to grow to gain significant amounts of money.
Yes losing a 25k gun sucks but you shouldn't carry in the first case as yet again this is rule 3.4 as you are breaking law7.3/7.5 to begin with (thus risking your freedom as a jail is set on those), where it is condoned to begin with due to staff not being to babysit you every minute, doesn't make it right to break 3.4 twice because you broke 3.4 to begin with?
Risk A & B are both based on you breaking a law (and in response 3.4) you shouldn't in the first place making your argument on ground level already a "weak claim about irrelevant rules with weak reasoning."
Also you failed to add the consequence of a car chase, where it costs fuel and a possibility in a full city of a wrecking price of Tier 1 Wreck Repair Price: $27,600 or a shootout risking yet again $25k because u were too lazy to store your gun to begin with making your fleeing attempt a risk of $55.100 ((excluding ticket)).
I would like to point you to "Tunnel Vision" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_vision , as you are putting that strawman stuff down my throat. Your vision is purely based on potential loss of your gun and time associated with that gun.
Risk C)
You store your gun before you drive, risk = 0$
You go scot-free $0 and 0 minutes wasted!
Risk D)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and spike you:
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires
32.5k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
Risk E)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and tier your vehicle (or you ram into a wall):
Gun loss $25k
Car loss $27.600
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires
60.1k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
Risk F)
Shootout time
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $10k
Loss of time 15-20 from fleeing to jail
Lost time of about 10 minutes from max jail sentence
65.1k & 30+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
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Where there are situation you indeed can get away from people when u speed off, it will always be from newer players. Experienced players will have your licenseplate or description getting you in a chase with the results above having majorly more risk than anything. If you manage to store your gun, per policy they can still retrieve it from a stored location making you still lose it if they wish to do so (often doesn't happen because who wants truck/storage RP lol)
how does it not allow me to give argumentations to comments you clearly made and gave your opinion about? I responded to the thread that was created and answered by YOU. I gave you my piece of mind how I think the things you have mentioned are wrong and badly thought out. Where I do agree you miss the lack of visibility (correct me if I am wrong, English ain't my native language, its the act of reading a text in different ways because you lack visual cues and intonation) causing a distorted view that can be seen more negatively or positively depending on the context.
as you mention, you responded yet I lack the visual and intonation clues and took that as YOUR statement given you responded to his answer which at this point you are truly still defending confirming my view that this is your opinion and I am on the opposite side of this opinion and make it clearly known.
As for the argument sake, bare in mind I will keep replying if you attempt to undermine and criticize my view as throughout your argument you keep trying to discredit my points with yet another distorted view and you are returning the toxicity just as bad.
TL
R store your gun in your trunk and don't break 3.4 so u have no reason why you would need to flee from a cop. If you forgot, accept the consequences of your own stupidity instead of risking significantly more money and time.
Man I dont bash the other side but some of the comments in this thread are just illogical and barbaricly unfair. Like if something like this was disbanded of its consequences you'd just be shooting cops all day atp. Playing perp at 1-6am is bad enough but knowing your so helpless with the lack of rtu/tfu/dispatch is just not fun especially knowing the same people advocating this will go full crybaby mode when facing the consequences of their actions. Like some of this thread is genuinely barbaric how is chasing a 120mph in a crappy dodge charger meant to be fun or effective at all atp we should just go around shooting police for any crime, like genuinely its annoying thinking of how people think is fair i play cop and crim and id feel bad knowing I just outsped some random guy for 15 minutes and he is so helpless about it that there's no point. If you really want to buff crim there needs to be a advantage for cops playing crim nowadays is already way to easy. Like its quite easy to just do bank and win with like 70 people on and have like a 8 man squad of flankers. I am not trying to rant but It gets demoralising quick just insta failing and dying in seconds for the same process to repeat and this same thing would happen for this too you'd just die due to a shootout especially on low pop where the most unfair shit would happen and everyone would've hopped off pd atp.It literally is relevant, I give examples upon how your opinion on the topic is shortsighted and rather just want to primarily focus on the tiniest of tiniest of part while your comment not only goes for fleeing but also invertedly creates a narrative towards other rules which face the same current consequences. This I clearly sum after the equal signs to show a sum of things to join back to the main point which is, lets say we would allow fleeing from cops, it will create an imbalance of constant fleeing and shootouts as people in perp cannot behave themselves thus for the sake of balance of the gamemode this rule should remain in place.
In no way are 2.5, 3.3, 3.11 or 4.1 unrelated as they circle back to your statement of allowing ingame punishment to stay ingame and not receiving a ban for 3.4 which will result in other rules having to be reviewed upon the same suggested change which all fall under the same tree. Your willingness to exclude them show me a shortsighted and rather focussed (TUNNEL VISION SEE BELOW) view in an attempt to discredit a valid argument.
You are literally stating this, for rules in this case 3.4 fleeing from cops to be dealt with ingame instead of punishment/ban, how is it inaccurate and intentional exaggerated misconception of the question?????
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Yet it is, it tells you not to flee over minor fines or sentences, where I do agree no SPECIFIC amounts get mentioned, I think especially people who have been in perp for a while (which in this case is a few months) clearly get told what is valid to run for through cops, friends and/or staff. To get back to minor fines or sentences would refer to, in my opinion, anything below 5 years due to the fact u will always upgrade to a 6.5/6.9 5k5y charge.
Lmao, I don't think I am an angel, I break rules all the time, I sometimes still disagree with some staff members decision. But I do base this on my 10 years of experience within the server where I have served bans for breaking 3.4, reported a shit load of people for 3.4 and banned a lot of people for 3.4. I am convinced I do know the definition of 3.4 by heart and can stand by it when questioned upon the constraints of 3.4 and what is allowed within rulebound. Where I believe your arguments go against the core rules set up ages ago by the perp owners which have never allowed you to flee from a traffic stop given it would automatically cause your imprisonment on the long run as you put your on life in danger over a simple ticket or asset forfeiture.
Tarone Idrin bashes the other side, calling people dumb, idiot, etc. What is your point there?
Tilin and Wescott are staff and has to remain civil and presentable as staff which I agree with are clear descriptive answers.
Due to the constraints of the gamemode 2-3 "years" are 2-3 minutes, they are meant to be years to show the severity of the case yet are not years because no one would be able to play it due to being in jail for so long. To allow players to enjoy the gamemodes years have been put into minutes for convenience sake.
I used to play daily criminal when could make a max of 36k an hour if u didn't get raided and the rules about fleeing where the same, I know more of gun prices, drugs prices and everything among it even though I have reached the state I don't need to grow to gain significant amounts of money.
Yes losing a 25k gun sucks but you shouldn't carry in the first case as yet again this is rule 3.4 as you are breaking law7.3/7.5 to begin with (thus risking your freedom as a jail is set on those), where it is condoned to begin with due to staff not being to babysit you every minute, doesn't make it right to break 3.4 twice because you broke 3.4 to begin with?
Risk A & B are both based on you breaking a law (and in response 3.4) you shouldn't in the first place making your argument on ground level already a "weak claim about irrelevant rules with weak reasoning."
Also you failed to add the consequence of a car chase, where it costs fuel and a possibility in a full city of a wrecking price of Tier 1 Wreck Repair Price: $27,600 or a shootout risking yet again $25k because u were too lazy to store your gun to begin with making your fleeing attempt a risk of $55.100 ((excluding ticket)).
I would like to point you to "Tunnel Vision" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_vision , as you are putting that strawman stuff down my throat. Your vision is purely based on potential loss of your gun and time associated with that gun.
Risk C)
You store your gun before you drive, risk = 0$
You go scot-free $0 and 0 minutes wasted!
Risk D)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and spike you:
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires
32.5k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
Risk E)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and tier your vehicle (or you ram into a wall):
Gun loss $25k
Car loss $27.600
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires
60.1k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
Risk F)
Shootout time
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $10k
Loss of time 15-20 from fleeing to jail
Lost time of about 10 minutes from max jail sentence
65.1k & 30+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
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Where there are situation you indeed can get away from people when u speed off, it will always be from newer players. Experienced players will have your licenseplate or description getting you in a chase with the results above having majorly more risk than anything. If you manage to store your gun, per policy they can still retrieve it from a stored location making you still lose it if they wish to do so (often doesn't happen because who wants truck/storage RP lol)
how does it not allow me to give argumentations to comments you clearly made and gave your opinion about? I responded to the thread that was created and answered by YOU. I gave you my piece of mind how I think the things you have mentioned are wrong and badly thought out. Where I do agree you miss the lack of visibility (correct me if I am wrong, English ain't my native language, its the act of reading a text in different ways because you lack visual cues and intonation) causing a distorted view that can be seen more negatively or positively depending on the context.
as you mention, you responded yet I lack the visual and intonation clues and took that as YOUR statement given you responded to his answer which at this point you are truly still defending confirming my view that this is your opinion and I am on the opposite side of this opinion and make it clearly known.
As for the argument sake, bare in mind I will keep replying if you attempt to undermine and criticize my view as throughout your argument you keep trying to discredit my points with yet another distorted view and you are returning the toxicity just as bad.
TL
Mb for the rant but I just find some of the responses in this thread barbaric as there's already a power imbalance between cops and crim later in the night so even egging it on more by straining resources and being a lazy idiot makes no sense.
Like people refuse to acknowledge that cop is just a respawn and die to some zerg I play much later at 1-6am and cops not even fun im just responding to 8 man bank raids with 4 pistol cops and getting insta sniped like this genuinely just isn't fun and then when the same people are warranted you just get zerged. Me personally im just complaining cause im not the one getting to kill these cops at those times but I could imagine how shitty that is to just insta die over snd over again to the best pvpers of the server with g3a3s and as50s and your helpless so u just dont respond to bank raids. Like im not calling specifics cause if I was doing it wouldn't care about the wellbeing of others in that sense but its definitely annoying.
All fair man, I was just pointing out something Malek mentioned, as I think that u were not being respectful based on the language you were using but it doesnt matter to me as it clearly portrays my opinion as well that its very illogical to allow a chase in the first place, but I decided to write an essay calling it out more blatantly and you put it in a sentence or two.
Oh ye I ain't find it that deep but it's so blatantly unfair but I do have a record of being disrespectful and aim to tone down more.
