Fleeing Police

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

That’s enough yapper for one day

Respond to my dispute and I'll consider

 

[Acerius]

Personally, I think hamburgers and cheeseburgers work well with fries.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

It literally is relevant, I give examples upon how your opinion on the topic is shortsighted and rather just want to primarily focus on the tiniest of tiniest of part while your comment not only goes for fleeing but also invertedly creates a narrative towards other rules which face the same current consequences. This I clearly sum after the equal signs to show a sum of things to join back to the main point which is, lets say we would allow fleeing from cops, it will create an imbalance of constant fleeing and shootouts as people in perp cannot behave themselves thus for the sake of balance of the gamemode this rule should remain in place.

In no way are 2.5, 3.3, 3.11 or 4.1 unrelated as they circle back to your statement of allowing ingame punishment to stay ingame and not receiving a ban for 3.4 which will result in other rules having to be reviewed upon the same suggested change which all fall under the same tree. Your willingness to exclude them show me a shortsighted and rather focussed (TUNNEL VISION SEE BELOW) view in an attempt to discredit a valid argument.


You are literally stating this, for rules in this case 3.4 fleeing from cops to be dealt with ingame instead of punishment/ban, how is it inaccurate and intentional exaggerated misconception of the question?????

It's clear you're missing the point entirely.

I am not as desperate to claim I am right as you seem to think we both are when I engage in less or equal levels of toxicity as you. I respond because I enjoy debating and I am curious to see what people think / feel about the matter. Furthermore I reply because I think its worth pointing out your holes in your argument despite how highly you think of yourself in all your passive aggressive or aggressive energy filled remarks thus far (Strawman argumentat, which you so adamantly are in denial of. the shit talk ad hominem you kicked this debate off with, etc..). At least You make a correct point at least by arguing a logical reason that :

"lets say we would allow fleeing from cops, it will create an imbalance of constant fleeing and shootouts as people in perp cannot behave themselves thus for the sake of balance of the gamemode this rule should remain in place."

This is fair position to hold. I think aside from all the other non-sense you say, this is a common ground we can agree on.

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Yet it is, it tells you not to flee over minor fines or sentences, where I do agree no SPECIFIC amounts get mentioned, I think especially people who have been in perp for a while (which in this case is a few months) clearly get told what is valid to run for through cops, friends and/or staff. To get back to minor fines or sentences would refer to, in my opinion, anything below 5 years due to the fact u will always upgrade to a 6.5/6.9 5k5y charge.


Lmao, I don't think I am an angel, I break rules all the time, I sometimes still disagree with some staff members decision. But I do base this on my 10 years of experience within the server where I have served bans for breaking 3.4, reported a shit load of people for 3.4 and banned a lot of people for 3.4. I am convinced I do know the definition of 3.4 by heart and can stand by it when questioned upon the constraints of 3.4 and what is allowed within rulebound. Where I believe your arguments go against the core rules set up ages ago by the perp owners which have never allowed you to flee from a traffic stop given it would automatically cause your imprisonment on the long run as you put your on life in danger over a simple ticket or asset forfeiture.

Tarone Idrin bashes the other side, calling people dumb, idiot, etc. What is your point there?
Tilin and Wescott are staff and has to remain civil and presentable as staff which I agree with are clear descriptive answers.

I am not his ambassador, you started talking shit to me unprovoked so I addressed you.

If you want to preach following rules so hard, you should start by not igniting shit talk with initiating a disrespectful conversation while failing to mask it as a favor. You're not just:
1) Providing argumentation
2) Furthering the thread
3) Giving advice
etc

It sours the good in what you say when you shit talk unprovoked in that same breath throughout or in the end of your statement regardless of whether your argument is illogical or not. At this point, for me at least and Im sure you probably feel the same way, bets are off and shit talking souring our words does not make a difference. That said, I wanted to explain that so you understand my take on Tarone "bashing the other side."

Due to the constraints of the gamemode 2-3 "years" are 2-3 minutes, they are meant to be years to show the severity of the case yet are not years because no one would be able to play it due to being in jail for so long. To allow players to enjoy the gamemodes years have been put into minutes for convenience sake.


I used to play daily criminal when could make a max of 36k an hour if u didn't get raided and the rules about fleeing where the same, I know more of gun prices, drugs prices and everything among it even though I have reached the state I don't need to grow to gain significant amounts of money.

Yes losing a 25k gun sucks but you shouldn't carry in the first case as yet again this is rule 3.4 as you are breaking law7.3/7.5 to begin with (thus risking your freedom as a jail is set on those), where it is condoned to begin with due to staff not being to babysit you every minute, doesn't make it right to break 3.4 twice because you broke 3.4 to begin with?

You can keep asserting that your opinion on when it is 3.4 or not all you want but the facts of the case is that there is no shred of guidance from the rules that helps everyone understand a straight forward ruling on the parameters of when its okay to flee from police or not. Furthermore, not only is any help absent in rules, it is absent in the 3.4 Guide.

Risk A & B are both based on you breaking a law (and in response 3.4) you shouldn't in the first place making your argument on ground level already a "weak claim about irrelevant rules with weak reasoning."

Also you failed to add the consequence of a car chase, where it costs fuel and a possibility in a full city of a wrecking price of Tier 1 Wreck Repair Price: $27,600 or a shootout risking yet again $25k because u were too lazy to store your gun to begin with making your fleeing attempt a risk of $55.100 ((excluding ticket)).

I would like to point you to "Tunnel Vision" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_vision , as you are putting that strawman stuff down my throat. Your vision is purely based on potential loss of your gun and time associated with that gun.

Risk C)
You store your gun before you drive, risk = 0$

You go scot-free $0 and 0 minutes wasted!

Risk D)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and spike you:
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires

32.5k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)

Risk E)
You run from the cops, they got a unit at intersection and tier your vehicle (or you ram into a wall):
Gun loss $25k
Car loss $27.600
Ticket $5k (in accordance to 6.5/6.9)
Lost time of about 10 minutes to get from ur fleeing point to jail
Lost time of about 5 minutes from max jail sentence
Lost time of about 5 minutes from walking back to retrieve your vehicle and get it fixed
$2k+repair vehicles (either $500 or price of repair at NPC) 1k for retrieval of your vehicle at RC and 1k for ur tires

60.1k & 20+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)

Risk F)
Shootout time
Gun loss $25k
Ticket $10k
Loss of time 15-20 from fleeing to jail
Lost time of about 10 minutes from max jail sentence

65.1k & 30+ minutes (excluding loss of getting money back time)
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Where there are situation you indeed can get away from people when u speed off, it will always be from newer players. Experienced players will have your licenseplate or description getting you in a chase with the results above having majorly more risk than anything. If you manage to store your gun, per policy they can still retrieve it from a stored location making you still lose it if they wish to do so (often doesn't happen because who wants truck/storage RP lol)


how does it not allow me to give argumentations to comments you clearly made and gave your opinion about? I responded to the thread that was created and answered by YOU. I gave you my piece of mind how I think the things you have mentioned are wrong and badly thought out. Where I do agree you miss the lack of visibility (correct me if I am wrong, English ain't my native language, its the act of reading a text in different ways because you lack visual cues and intonation) causing a distorted view that can be seen more negatively or positively depending on the context.

as you mention, you responded yet I lack the visual and intonation clues and took that as YOUR statement given you responded to his answer which at this point you are truly still defending confirming my view that this is your opinion and I am on the opposite side of this opinion and make it clearly known.

Maybe that is true.

English is also not my first language. My native language is Arabic and I get that that triple-barrier considering your culture to using the English language to then my culture is probably making it difficult.

I don't lack anything more than you lack towards me, it's a mutual deficit of comprehension due to our cultural norm.

As for the argument sake, bare in mind I will keep replying if you attempt to undermine and criticize my view as throughout your argument you keep trying to discredit my points with yet another distorted view and you are returning the toxicity just as bad.

Go ahead?

An illogical argument is illogical no matter how many times you try to justify it

TLR store your gun in your trunk and don't break 3.4 so u have no reason why you would need to flee from a cop. If you forgot, accept the consequences of your own stupidity instead of risking significantly more money and time.

Glad you're smiling.

Now what would really clear everything up is if Collier or an Administrator fixed the absence of any mention in the 3.4 rule or 3.4 guide about when it is ok to flee from police or not.

From there, we can agree that verdict is final and the rule is explained clearly so it must be followed in accordance.