Server Suggestion Force Pull As Civilian

[MalekIsWeird]

Suggestion Title: Force Pull As Civilian
Suggestion Description: Use a crowbar with right click to attempt to pull everyone out of the car as the criminal counter-part to a police batter ram.

Why should this be added?:
- Solution for players disobeying gunpoint.
- Allows for players to pull players out of a car realistically
- Improves the game mechanics and makes it more interactive
- Makes it possible to counter people who get in cars to avoid damage while in a fist fight

What negatives could this have?:
- None I can think of

What problem would this suggestion solve?: Adds a counter to sitting in a car.

 

[DemonZ]

Then how would it prevent people randomly pulling out players out of vehicles ? Afk players from cars to then steal theyre car and such

 

[Goonsberg]

So easy to abuse.


Would rather let them get the ban

 

[Tilin]

I already see me dealing with more abuse than there being use cases for this. Just like with the police battering ram, if the person is failing to follow 3.4, it usually isn't very useful.

 

[The Peak]

If someone isn’t following 3.4 in a car, they’re not going to start just because they’re forced out. I feel like this will be abused a lot for very little benefit.

 

[Medium]

I can understand the idea but as Tilin said it will cause more problems than it will solve.

It is a good idea but it won't work at all in practice.

 

[Megasaw]

3.4 is a rule

 

[MalekIsWeird]

Then how would it prevent people randomly pulling out players out of vehicles ? Afk players from cars to then steal theyre car and such

security upgrades are $500, if you dont want your car stolen just get one instead of exploiting game mechanics to hog the driver seat.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

I can understand the idea but as Tilin said it will cause more problems than it will solve.

It is a good idea but it won't work at all in practice.

im genuinely confused, can you name me one example of a problem that would happen that is a rulebreak as a result of this feature? I can't think of one

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

security upgrades are $500, if you dont want your car stolen just get one instead of exploiting game mechanics to hog the driver seat.

Ngl malek this makes no sense dude can we now not just chill in our car without getting yoinked out for like no reason and abused and gped awway and forced to have our shit stolen i could imagine big orgs like parabellum, e sports whatever just magnet grabbing random afk people, gping them away and gunning them down regardless this just feels sloppy and has no benefit and its counterproductive to perps growing realism aspects.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

Ngl malek this makes no sense dude can we now not just chill in our car without getting yoinked out for like no reason and abused and gped awway and forced to have our shit stolen i could imagine big orgs like parabellum, e sports whatever just magnet grabbing random afk people, gping them away and gunning them down regardless this just feels sloppy and has no benefit and its counterproductive to perps growing realism aspects.

you're making no sense. Why would someone pull an AFK PERSON out of their car to then immediately GP THEM AWAY. If your car has no security, it's on you if it's stolen.

I'll leave it up to Collier to decide if pulling someone out of a car to steal it falls under mugging in public or not, but it's totally fair to have counter play.

 

[Medium]

im genuinely confused, can you name me one example of a problem that would happen that is a rulebreak as a result of this feature? I can't think of one

People forcing random people out of cars when they are AFK
People using it on random people that arent AFK
People crying that they had a gunpoint but then switched to crowbar to force them out and they drove off
Probably a lot more when it actually gets implemented and what people said above

All ends up being reports which means more work for the Staff Team.
If everyone actually used Medal or any other clipping software it wouldn't be too bad, but realistically, they won't.

I truly understand your goal with this, but this is not the way

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

you're making no sense. Why would someone pull an AFK PERSON out of their car to then immediately GP THEM AWAY. If your car has no security, it's on you if it's stolen.

I'll leave it up to Collier to decide if pulling someone out of a car to steal it falls under mugging in public or not, but it's totally fair to have counter play.

wdym people will just get nicked out their cars while literally going afk to eat food, imagine getting kicked out ur car and coming back to just see 6 armed guys gping away people from your car while they steal it thats really not fun

 

[MalekIsWeird]

People forcing random people out of cars when they are AFK

People using it on random people that arent AFK

at that point, anything is abusable. People punch, shoot, run over, body block, etc.. random people that aren't afk or are afk for no reason all the time. If there's a will, there's a way.

Doing it to steal the car from an AFK person could be 5.1 depending or not if Collier decides that its fair or unfair as counterplay to someone hogging the driver seat so that's not much of an issue.

People crying that they had a gunpoint but then switched to crowbar to force them out and they drove off

What's the issue? They stopped gunpointing and the victim player punished them by escaping when there was no threat.

Probably a lot more when it actually gets implemented and what people said above

All ends up being reports which means more work for the Staff Team.
If everyone actually used Medal or any other clipping software it wouldn't be too bad, but realistically, they won't.

I truly understand your goal with this, but this is not the way

Im curious to hearing your thoughts on about what I just said.

 

[Medium]

at that point, anything is abusable. People punch, shoot, run over, body block, etc.. random people that aren't afk for no reason all the time. If there's a will, there's a way.

What's the issue? They stopped gunpointing and the victim player punished them by escaping when there was no threat.

Im curious to hearing your thoughts on about what I just said.

5.1 is a rulebreak = a report = more work...

yes everything is abusable and it all leads to reports, which this will too, giving the staff team more work in the long run

the issue is the people crying over a mistake they made, within a report most likely or even worse OOC

These are just the negatives from a staff member their POV. I can imagine there are some RP negatives too but I'll let the playerbase that is more active in RP than me debate that.

Every suggestion has a negative, there is no such thing as a perfect suggestion. Only the super small things like adding the demo restart button etc has no negatives, adding content that will be used in RP ALWAYS has at least a few negatives. I don't see how this will be positive in the long run when it just adds an extra step to gunpointing people. They break 3.4 regardless if you have to use a crowbar to get them out.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

5.1 is a rulebreak = a report = more work...

yes everything is abusable and it all leads to reports, which this will too, giving the staff team more work in the long run

the issue is the people crying over a mistake they made, within a report most likely or even worse OOC

These are just the negatives from a staff member their POV. I can imagine there are some RP negatives too but I'll let the playerbase that is more active in RP than me debate that.

Every suggestion has a negative, there is no such thing as a perfect suggestion. Only the super small things like adding the demo restart button etc has no negatives, adding content that will be used in RP ALWAYS has at least a few negatives

I totally understand where you're coming from.

Updates like Chop Shop for example changed the game mode in a significant way and I imagine also introduced a bump up in rulebreak frequencies of people disobeying gunpoint by police when caught.

In this case however, the verdict is undecided so far, but assuming it is, that would make it possible for someone to break 5.1 in a new form. I do think though that the difference between robbing someone in public of their items or of their car is close enough due to the common factor of :
1) its a public space
2) you're forcefully taking someone's belonging

If someone has given 5.1 any clear thought prior this would be avoided.

But if they use force to rob something in a public space, it's obvious they have the intention of forcing someone to hand over a belonging in public (5.1 Public mugging), they will find a way to do that whether by gun or by crowbar.

Conclusively, it's hard to say whether here the frequency is increased, thus making more work for staff.

 

[Tilin]

@Medium forgot to mention how:
- someone will think it's funny standing next to the intersection and just crowbaring people out of cars
- someone will crowbar people out in positions that will kill them because it's funny
- someone will sit behind your car as you try to drive off, crowbar you out, run away, run back, rinse and repeat

But as he did mention. If they don't follow 3.4, there's no point to it. There already barely is to the battering ram unless you box people in with your car and they can't get out themselves.

There's a reason why you can't even prompt someone to be ziptied unless they have their hands up: Because people kept messing around with it, bugging people out and most importantly, using it to annoy players during roleplay.

In theory it sounds nice, but for us as staff members this would become unmanagable and eventually you'd get pissed at us for not doing enough.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

@Medium forgot to mention how:
- someone will think it's funny standing next to the intersection and just crowbaring people out of cars

a minge can already do that with a gun, prop or crowbar to troll people I can't see why this would be more work, seems again just like another form to manifest their hopes of being a nuisance upon the player base.

- someone will crowbar people out in positions that will kill them because it's funny

this makes no sense, there's so much wrong with that point.

For this to happen, the victim has to be AFK in a dangerous place, the thief has to be safe for long enough to successfully pull out the driver, make it back to safety, kill them and have the proven intention of it being funny.

99% of people won't face this issue, unless I misunderstood?

- someone will sit behind your car as you try to drive off, crowbar you out, run away, run back, rinse and repeat

Someone can also run up to my car and pop my tires or punch me for no reason without any words. These forms of trolling are just forms, they're not points that prove an increase in rulebreak frequency / more work for staff.

But as he did mention. If they don't follow 3.4, there's no point to it. There already barely is to the battering ram unless you box people in with your car and they can't get out themselves.

There's a reason why you can't even prompt someone to be ziptied unless they have their hands up: Because people kept messing around with it, bugging people out and most importantly, using it to annoy players during roleplay.

In theory it sounds nice, but for us as staff members this would become unmanagable and eventually you'd get pissed at us for not doing enough.

The reasoning behind your example is the same reason repeated 3 different ways. "Messing around, bugging people, annoying players," is the same thing.

Like I said, if there is a will there is a way.

Logically the same malicious subject could be inserted into countless forms.

Conclusively I can't think of one nor have I read one from these many points proving that there is more work rather in the end for staff. Instead I find that the points are showing new creative way to be a minge using my idea. Since Every example feels like a new form of how the same rule would be broken by someone already intending on hardcore trolling, the argument falls short of being a way of showing this idea adds work to the plate of staff.