Liam Belinsky / Liam #2

[Alex]

Your Steam/In-game Name: Garrett Woodfield / Alex
His/Her Steam/In-game Name: Liam Belinsky / Liam
His/Her SteamID: STEAM_0:0:6003289
Why Should This Player Be Punished: I was in my shop selling a m24 to two strangers, Liam and Ash, liam then decided to gunpoint me in publiic, at a bazaar, 12:30 o' clock, were there would be many people, when i was then forced into my shop liiam after a while forced me to give him storage access which is against rules.
Evidence (Demo Required): https://mega.nz/#!zVImTQKJ!fEPlay37GdoB4M1gfmdCTbhSJ5vnwq4rPIGVsHefPm4


Tick: Last 5-10 minutes not sure about tick.

 

[MrAaron]

Liam is forum banned and cant respond.

Liam: Put this on my Ar:
Liam: Ash gun pointed you while being in a partly hidden place we tried to get you in to the shop as soon as possible and did so - then I mugged you for all items, money and your sniper. Ash took the sniper ran to my car went to storage and stored it, come back and messaged me in org chat to come and run in my car as he was behind the bazaar by the garages, I ran to my car and we got off didn't get troubled by any body.

 

[Alex]

Liam is forum banned and cant respond.

Liam: Put this on my Ar:
Liam: Ash gun pointed you while being in a partly hidden place we tried to get you in to the shop as soon as possible and did so - then I mugged you for all items, money and your sniper. Ash took the sniper ran to my car when to storage and stored it, come back and messaged me in org chat to come and run in my car as he was behind the bazaar by the garages, I ran to my car and we got off didn't get troubled by any body.

Lol, mhm you could EASILY be seen it was 12:30 daylight, there would be tons of people at the bazaar what you did was dumb and breaks alot of rules, also explain forcing me to give you storage access? Anyhow, you should be punished.

 

[M]

Lol, mhm you could EASILY be seen it was 12:30 daylight, there would be tons of people at the bazaar what you did was dumb and breaks alot of rules, also explain forcing me to give you storage access? Anyhow, you should be punished.

Can you tell us what rules you believe that he broke other than the storage? That way it can be more easily analysed by others.

 

[Alex]

Can you tell us what rules you believe that he broke other than the storage? That way it can be more easily analysed by others.

Currently i am on phone i will tomorrow, anyways he broke

Forcing storage access
Public gunpoint which resulted in me loosing m24 filled.

 

[User0]

There's no rule stating that forcing another player to give them storage access is against the rules. The rule is about forcing them to take items out of their storage and giving it to the mugger. 5.2 Forced Withdrawals - In order to help preserve gameplay, players may not attempt to force other players to withdraw funds from an ATM machine/transfer funds from the mobile banking application from their phone. In addition, players may not force other players to withdraw items from their storage boxes/trunks. If they forced you into the shop quick I don't see a problem. People get kidnapped during daytime in 15 seconds and don't get in trouble. But that's just my opinion about the gunpoint.

Edit: I also see this as possible breaching unrealistic role-play, but I won't state on that because it does seem like a tricky situation.

 

[Ash]

As Liam cannot respond as his forum account is banned he said this:

"Alex, @GraveDinosaur told you in the admin situation that the storage thing wasn't breaking rules but said he wouldn't do it, he told you that a few times so I'm not sure why you have added it as a rule breakage. Like I said previously; Ash was hidden and it was done fast - there is nothing else to say, anyway that's all I have to say"

 

[Frank]

Other than disagreeing, why not just tell him in the comments why you disagree, and not just rate a post
Also, can you give the staff team more information other than "He mugged me in a public area"
Tell them he broke 3.4 if you think so, and 2.1 if you think yourself.

Maybe detail it why he should be banned, and why this should be considered.

EDIT: Also, as @Shaun said, that people get kidnapped / mugged in 15 seconds without trouble, if you think that he took a lot longer which he is risking his life, then write it on the Action request.

 

[Smudger]

No rules were broke here as firstly there is nothing to say he can't force you to give me storage and also when he did gunpoint you there was no one around, it was also done fast and isn't unrealistic.​

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[Brinch]

Even though that there is no specific rules saying that you can't mug someone and there after use the victims storage chest to put back the items you just earned, is easy to tell that this is definitely 2.1. When you're role playing on the server the storage chest shouldn't be considered as some sort of magical 'teleport my items' chest. I don't see the logic why you irl should mug someone, steal all his items and then afterward put it back in the storage chest of the person you just mugged...

Definitely a +support from me.

 

[Hazza the Fifty-Sixth]

No rules were broke here as firstly there is nothing to say he can't force you to give me storage and also when he did gunpoint you there was no one around, it was also done fast and isn't unrealistic.

I have to disagree with you on that one. Like @Agent Green said, it's clearly 2.1. In real life, you wouldn't do that and expect for it to magically go to a storage container belonging to yourself. It would just be giving your things away to the person which makes no sense to me.

 

[Alex]

It's clear that it's unrealistic to give me access to my storage so he can drop a possibly loaded mp5 in there, as i could just take it (If it was reallife obviously) It's breaking 2.1 as it's not realistic.

 

[M]

When you're role playing on the server the storage chest shouldn't be considered as some sort of magical 'teleport my items' chest.

i.e. if you want to crack down on this, you have to force everyone to rp transporting their goods to new bases because it's the exact same principle.


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[Brinch]

i.e. if you want to crack down on this, you have to force everyone to rp transporting their goods to new bases because it's the exact same principle.

Even as I pursued to make this as straight and logic as possible, it still seems like you’re trying to turn around my point to make it sound less rational. Perpheads is a serious RP server, I’m sure you’re aware of this as you used to be one of the moderators enforcing the rules to make this simulations so realistic as possible. I’ve never said that people would have to transport all their items around, all I am saying is that from a server that aims to emulate real life it does not seems very realistic to give the victim back his items just after mugging him.

@Chris

2.1 Play Realistically- This game mode aims to emulate real life, and as such, players are expected to play realistically at all times; because life is not ‘black and white’, there is potential for some scenarios to have not been included in this document, these rules are also not necessarily ‘written in stone’, meaning that exceptions can be made where appropriate - any such exceptions are purely determined by an administrator’s discretion.

 

[Liam]

Well, even if it is against the rules to force somebody to give you storage access it doesn't really clearly state anywhere in the rules that you can't do it.

And like @Chris said if you're trying to say it's 2.1, so is giving random people and friends access to your storage container because realistically you wouldn't trust them with the things contained inside, so unless it's going to be clearly stated into a rule I don't see why it should be a punishable offense at this time.

 

[GraveDinosaur]

During the sit with you, me, @Ash and @Liam I came to a conclusion that they did not break 3.4 or 5.2. He did not force you to take any items from his storage (Which would of broken 5.2) And they were hidden from view of the public before taking you into the bazaar shop you owned.