Server Suggestion NERF the Mercedes SLR

[Eistee von Aldi]

Suggestion Description:
The SLR is a exremely overpowered vehicle right now, it has better handling and acceleration than all the other supercars and the functional top speed is not low enough to make up for it. It is faster than all the other cars, including the ones that cost over 4mil like the Bugattis or McLarens and with upgrades it can even go head to head with a 20mil Mazda Furai.

In the Racing events my org is hosting, the SLR has scored 70% of all points given out this season.

The SLR could be 5-10mph slower in top speed and STILL be the best car.

Why should this be added?:
- It's OP

What negatives could this have?:
- people who buy one complain

What problem would this suggestion solve?:
SLR being too op

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[Thorgal]

i mean for race you have 100 won

 

[micbib]

Instead of nerfing the car. Why not just blacklist the car from Your racing event?

 

[Eistee von Aldi]

Instead of nerfing the car. Why not just blacklist the car from Your racing event?

Why not balance the cars. Why should cars that costs 4.4mil be worse in every aspect. This is not just about racing.

Also not everyone can just buy a new car, they are expensive. its not fair to ban them

 

[Avid Feminist]

Also not everyone can just buy a new car, they are expensive. its not fair to ban them

Nerfing the SLR would likely have the same effect on people wishing to participate in your race.

 

[Eistee von Aldi]

Nerfing the SLR would likely have the same effect on people wishing to participate in your race.

You can nerf the SLR significantly and it would still be the best. That is the point I'm trying to make, it is A LOT better than the other cars not just a little bit

 

[Thorgal]

Instead of nerfing the car. Why not just blacklist the car from Your racing event?

good point

 

[Thorgal]

You can nerf the SLR significantly and it would still be the best. That is the point I'm trying to make, it is A LOT better than the other cars not just a little bit

did you not say you wanted it to be nerfed?

 

[Sharkster]

skyline r34 is a good car and compete with slr but hey! the race is depends on ping and whoever has a good handling and fast car
nerfing cars are stupid the land rover defender has gotten nerfed so badly to the point that some people sell it cuz its pointless to keep it

 

[Kalli]

Wtf are these replies.

He isn’t upset that the SLR is winning the racing events, the result itself doesn’t really matter. What he is doing, is using data from the racing event, which acts as a controlled environment, to highlight something he’s been noticing for a while: the SLR is consistently outperforming everything else in its class by a pretty huge margin.

The races are nothing more than data points here. When you put multiple cars from (roughly) the same tier into the same conditions and one of them repeatedly pulls ahead that strongly, it becomes a lot more obvious that there might be a balance issue, as pointed out in the main post.

TL;DR
The point isn’t “make the SLR win less in these races.”
The point is: these races made it very clear just how far ahead the SLR is compared to the rest of its class (and even compared to above its class), which is why he’s calling for a nerf.

 

[Headline]

I don't think the whole argument here is fair. I used to race with the P1 in the very beginning and the car was arguably better than the SLR (in my opinion), the only reason I chose against it was due to it's very weak bump absortions.

The best way to really settle this debate would be for someone with actual driving skills to benchmark a good even track and post the results.

The only reason this is really a point right now, is because everyone at the top is currently using the SLR so the rest will follow.
I'll make a tiny benchmark on a couple of Supers and post it for comparision.

 

[Dahweeble]

I believe a big part of it is that most racers have double upgraded their SLR's. When I ask racers with different cars if their car is double upgraded I basically get a "no" every time.

Edit: All good racers uses the SLR, and a lot of the worse ones, ofc its gonna win a lot.

 

[Eistee von Aldi]

All good racers uses the SLR, and a lot of the worse ones, ofc its gonna win a lot.

I don't want to take away from anybodys skill or achievements, but the truth is other were forced to buy SLRs because how much better they were and then they had to buy double upgrades so they don't just get overtaken like this:

The upgrades on the SLRs are also stupid strong, makes the car almost as good as a Mazda Furai, which costs 20mil to buy and 160k to tier. Other cars barely make a difference when upgraded or they even lose driveablity.

 

[Headline]

I don't want to take away from anybodys skill or achievements, but the truth is other were forced to buy SLRs because how much better they were and then they had to buy double upgrades so they don't just get overtaken like this:

The upgrades on the SLRs are also stupid strong, makes the car almost as good as a Mazda Furai, which costs 20mil to buy and 160k to tier. Other cars barely make a difference when upgraded or they even lose driveablity.

In all fairness, walnash completely missed the corner there giving me the inside.

 

[Thorgal]

I don't think the whole argument here is fair. I used to race with the P1 in the very beginning and the car was arguably better than the SLR (in my opinion), the only reason I chose against it was due to it's very weak bump absortions.

The best way to really settle this debate would be for someone with actual driving skills to benchmark a good even track and post the results.

The only reason this is really a point right now, is because everyone at the top is currently using the SLR so the rest will follow.
I'll make a tiny benchmark on a couple of Supers and post it for comparision.

bruda why dont you use p1 then slr is too unfair it is the best car for race end off discussion It is.

 

[Sky]

You post this after I sold my P1 and bought SLR Mclaren recently xD

 

[Baba Won]

Yea no mr Golden eagle im saving up for it

 

[Avid Feminist]

Wtf are these replies.

He isn’t upset that the SLR is winning the racing events, the result itself doesn’t really matter. What he is doing, is using data from the racing event, which acts as a controlled environment, to highlight something he’s been noticing for a while: the SLR is consistently outperforming everything else in its class by a pretty huge margin.

The races are nothing more than data points here. When you put multiple cars from (roughly) the same tier into the same conditions and one of them repeatedly pulls ahead that strongly, it becomes a lot more obvious that there might be a balance issue, as pointed out in the main post.

TL;DR
The point isn’t “make the SLR win less in these races.”
The point is: these races made it very clear just how far ahead the SLR is compared to the rest of its class (and even compared to above its class), which is why he’s calling for a nerf.

Headline’s point kind of counters this perfectly. A race doesn’t apply to actual perpheads. This is the equivalent of saying that the G Class should be buffed speed wise as it costs more than the SLR but isn’t winning every race. Cars have other attributes and a race isn’t a perfect case study for overall vehicle performance in real situations.

While I understand the SLR is a good vehicle, this specific case study makes it appear much more OP than it actually is. Why should a car be nerfed because it’s just really good at racing.

 

[Kalli]

Headline’s point kind of counters this perfectly. A race doesn’t apply to actual perpheads. This is the equivalent of saying that the G Class should be buffed speed wise as it costs more than the SLR but isn’t winning every race. Cars have other attributes and a race isn’t a perfect case study for overall vehicle performance in real situations.

If that’s the case, then using the G-Wagon example actually strengthens the point being made.

The G-Wagon costs more but is slower because it’s balanced around having 4 seats, more trunk space, and more weight capacity. That makes sense, you give something, you take something.

But in that case, why doesn’t the Pagani Zonda C12, which has 0 slots, 0 weight, 2 seats, and is more expensive, completely wipe the floor with the SLR?

Why doesn’t the LaFerrari, with 1 slot, 15kg, and also 2 seats, do the same?

Even the two Bugatti variants only have 1 slot more (with even less weight), but they also are a near 1 million price increase. Why don't they?

If races "don’t apply" because performance is about more than speed alone, then the cars with fewer advantages outside of speed (like the Zonda and LaFerrari) should be absolutely demolishing the SLR on raw performance. Yet they aren’t. The SLR is outperforming them consistently and by a sizeable margin - at least, according to the data from the racing events.

Also, why wouldn’t the races apply to actual Perpheads?
Isn't it literally using the same map, the same corners, the same straights, the same routes people drive every day on the server? The only difference is that races let you compare these cars under the same conditions at the same time, instead of relying on scattered anecdotes. (Please correct me on any of this if I am wrong, I genuinely have never seen nor participated in the races)

That’s exactly why the races were used as data points, they highlight the imbalance in a controlled environment.

I want to clarify: I don’t personally care about the SLR getting nerfed or not, I just don’t want one side’s argument dismissed due to misunderstandings. The idea of the thread isn't a complaint about the event results, they were simply the easiest way to see that the SLR is significantly outperforming its class, including cars that should logically have the edge.