Warning Dispute (torbizzle , Locksmith)

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Punishment Type: Warning
Appeal Type: Dispute[Evidence]
Which staff member issued the punishment?: @torbizzle , Locksmith
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: Not Applicable

Your Steam Name: Evchil
Your Roleplay Name: Tomek Piotrowski
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:100758197

Why were you punished?: @Metra you will be issued a warning for 3.4 - User attempted to mug someone with their gun out, putting their life at significant risk for little to no reason

Why should this appeal be considered?: I was warned for 3.4 for having gun pointed someone that had a gun in passive stance. In the rules of 3.4 and 5.1 there is absolutely nothing stated clearly that i am risking my life because i see the other person holding a gun in passive stance. This happened at the drug dealer, that is a risk of itself. Again, this is not stated clearly in the rules.
Since when is robbing someone with a pistol in passive stance at a drug dealer been an unnessecarry risk? What about robbing the bank? Isn't that not a much bigger risk for a much smaller take?

Additional Information: https://perpheads.com/threads/ar-on-bob-bobov.38014/ ( not exactly the same situation, but neither of these guy got any warnings or bans at all )

3.4 Putting your Life at Risk
Any actions taken by a player that may put their In-Character life, freedom from imprisonment or general well being at risk must be done so in a realistic fashion and for beneficial reasons.

This rule is specifically relevant to the violation of any In-Character law, meaning that murders, thefts, etc, are all expected to be conducted realistically;

A few common examples of unreasonable risks includes, but is not limited to:

Running on the highway without a justifiable reason
Loitering around the vicinity of a shootout you are not a part of or being within the line of fire from both intentional and accidental fire. Users must flee the scene of a shootout and wait for police to clear the scene and reopen the area to the public. This applies regardless of you being restrained or not.
Murdering a police officer(s) to avoid yourself or others receiving a minor punishment, such as a small ticket or a minor jail sentence
Loitering around the scene of a crime you committed with the intention of engaging in more combat
To not comply with reasonable orders given under the direct threat of a lethal weapon pointed at you, such as a mugging.
Committing a violent or serious crime, such as murder, theft, arson, etc. whilst knowing that police are in direct eyeshot of the scene you wish to commit the crime at.
After committing a crime, relevant precautions should be taken to avoid arrest or police attention, such as avoiding public places.

Some valid reasons to kill police officers include:

Risk of a long prison sentence, typically 7 years or more
Preventing the imminent detection of drug production.
Committing a violent crime police would reasonably use lethal force to apprehend you for.

5.1 Mugging

Players are not allowed to mug more than 3 times in any 60 minute period; nor can they mug the same player twice, within any 60 minute period. Players may only mug other players in a realistic manner, for example mugging someone in the middle of a street is not realistic. Muggings should only take place in locations which are out of the view of the public. Players may not be forced to move out of public view under gunpoint prior to the mugging.

For the duration in which the Bazaar Shop doors are removed, mugging will be temporarily disallowed in the back rooms.

Whilst participating in a Mugging all players are expected to adhere to rule 2.5, this means that causing any unnecessary and unreasonable harm or damage to a player or their possessions is prohibited.

Items such as: Barricades, Furniture, crafting materials, planter boxes and rare/seasonal items are not to be dropped during a mugging.
 
The reason it is against 3.4, as you are basically guaranteed to start a shootout under normal circumstances, as the other player being gun pointed will just pull up their firearm and attempt to defend themselves, in this situation, the risks outweighs the benefits as you wouldn't even be able to mug the player and take the items they have off them if a shootout was to occur.
This will be reviewed by other staff members in due time.
 



You can raid someone without the guaranteed threat of entering a firefight. If you view someone with a gun then you can shoot them in a raid, you cannot do the same for a mugging.

Therefor you are guaranteed to put your life at risk

If you have any suggestions regarding the rules, feel free to post a rule suggestion here

Reviewed with @Efan @Headline
 
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