Metagame and 2.6 perma bans are dumb

Acerius said:
If you have such a wanton disregard for other players on the server whereby you would deliberately fly in the face of the rules so as to gain even a miniscule combat advantage, whether that be through metagaming or cheating (where I would assert metagaming in of itself is a form of cheating), in a community that is first and foremost meant to provide roleplay opportunity, then you don't deserve to play here. I strongly disagree with the characterisation that permanent bans for this are 'rash' decisions; when you play here, you do so on the understanding that you will abide by our rules, and cheating regardless of form is the most egregious way of breaking them. Why should we show those who haven't an ounce of respect for other people on the server any measure of leniency?
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i have no idea what you are trying to say
 
Frod3 said:
i have no idea what you are trying to say
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I think hes trying to say
Metagaming is completely fuckin retarded, People that do it are stupid, and that this is an RP server first and formost not just PVP, he also argues that Perm Bans are not a rash decision as you play by the server owners rules
I think correct me if im wrong

IMO if you get caught metagaming, Ur an complete fool, for me I could not metagame even if i tried, I would get too pissed of with people in discord if i got yappers telling me this that and the other i get more confused to the point to be considered a MP.
Seprate topic, but have you ever had 6 people shout diffrent commands at you to do something, I had that for example in destiny doing raids, THAT SHIT IS NOT FUN plain and simple, so imagine perpheads when you have people screaming diffrent things if your metagaming... however with perp its supposted to be RP first and formost, not PVP.

I tend to treat PVP as a side quest, not the main experiance, PVP is way better with friends but if you can't take losing a scar once in a while then u know it is what it is, i also want to say this does not take away from my own points of wanting new shit to shoot people with that would be very much appricated but again RP is the main point which is why PD let hostage sits play out (Or did) for example
 
Well tbh, if you metagame as a whole org, or just generally. You deserve the downfall you get, it's also those orgs will quite literally be the cause for the downfall of the server itself, as let's be honest, when an org heavily metagames that is not the only rule they break.
 
Spooky Pyro said:
My next point is that metagame does not provide the crazy advantage that people think of. At the very best metagame can give off a last know location of players after death or give comms for bases and how many players are inside. Despite being provided this knowledge it does not guarantee that the recepient(s) are going to win the situation they are in.
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You've just provided the very reason for metagaming being pointless. Are you advocating for metagaming or against it? You're sending very mixed signals.

If you're ever going to "metagame", do it in a way that has no bearing on in-game actions and you don't deliberately share information that should only be shared in-game. Same goes for acting on information.

Something I practice is spiteful ignorance. If someone tells me information I shouldn't possibly know, I will deliberately ignore it even if it leads to my death. I've been in situations where I was told someone's position through OOC means, and so in response I just walk right past without checking their corner and end up dead, on purpose.


On a different tangent:
These threads lately just seem like people just want to have something to complain about. Since the v6 complaint threads weren't working, it's now on to PvP. Seriously, the main thing I saw a complaint for pre-2016 was the playercount and how the server was dying. I have a gorillion complaints about the server but I don't throw up an equal amount of crybaby posts like these that don't actually end up being constructive in any way. The original post may be, sure, but the following replies end up chipping away at the constructiveness of the thread until it appears acceptable to just shitpost on the thread until someone sees the contrast in posting quality and posts a reminder.

Don't get me wrong, feedback threads like these are necessary in some ways, but they run their course and a new one should not be made if one has already existed in the last 3 months. If you want to make one, do it with purpose, not just to hear people's opinions. Opinions without acting on them does nothing for the community.

Create suggestions, make bug reports and focus on using the proper channels the community team has set up to reach the right people. General discussion won't do that for you in a good 80% of cases. A developer might join the discussion but it does not mean anything will happen.

Look at it this way. You can cry all you want in OOC about someone shooting you, but a staff member will frequently not act on it unless you make a report.
Same goes for ideas and bug reporting. Make a proper suggestion or bug report, a dev will take them more seriously.

I also have issues with PvP on this server, but I also lack ideas on how to solve it. I refuse to get into a meaningless debate that has no solutions, it's a waste of time that is better spent thinking of a solution instead.
 
Spooky Pyro said:
My next point is that metagame does not provide the crazy advantage that people think of.
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It removes the ability to do anything stealthy. That itself is a huge advantage.

Like what do you mean you try to mug someone and all of a sudden their entire org shows up. That is not a crazy advantage to you?

Officers arresting someone can try their best to avoid it be known that someone was arrested. That itself is not a crazy advantage to you?

Rushing into an apartment and providing information to your friends where all the defenders are so they can prefire them. That is also not a crazy advantage to you?

God forbid we want our roleplay server to have at least some sense of roleplaying and somewhat realistic communication

Also to address the permanent ban situation. Almost no one has been permanently banned off the bat unless they had prior bans for it (usually 2 or more). And when it is a first time offense and permanent they typically do stupid things such as removing an entire Discord in front of your eyes.... At the end of the day we are very lenient considering it is a form of cheating and you are lowkey, in the kidnest way possible, a sore loser if you do choose to play that way.
 
Most people who we catch Metagaming either receive a short ban (at least compared to a Permanent one), a warning, or a verbal warning, particularly in the case of new players who may not be too acquainted with the rules. When someone receives a permanent punishment for it, it probably means that other considerations (repeated behavior, extreme malice, failure to cooperate with staff repeatedly, etc.) may have been had.

Spooky Pyro said:
perpheads would not be so inactive despite reaching 128 players.
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The server not feeling like an active war zone no matter where you go does not equal the server being inactive.
 
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