Server Suggestion Ban AI generated images on signs / billboards

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Suggestion Title: Ban AI generated images on signs / billboards
Suggestion Description: Ban AI generated images on signs / billboards

Why should this be added?:
- AI is incredibly cringe, harmful to the enviroment and detrimental to real artists. It shouldn't be allowed on the server. Wasting such gargatuan amounts of electricity to advertise your shitty gmod perpheads store is so wasteful!!!!!!

What negatives could this have?:
- Literally none.

What problem would this suggestion solve?: Me having to stroll through bazaar and see low effort shitty AI images on every sign.
 
Having not read any of the millions of replies in this thread, I feel well informed enough to offer a nuanced take on the matter.

Yes, AI is cringe, and if you want real art, you should commission an actual artist to make what you want, or do it yourself, because that's the honest and right thing to do. However, this is a video game, and some people just suck ass at art and graphic design in general. You just need to look at like 75% of the signs in bazaar to realise that.

I don't think blocking the use of AI generated/assisted artwork on signs on any kind of moral grounds is practical, feasible, or even desirable. It will just result in people accusing each other of using AI, probably when the sign still looks like ass anyhow. It'll waste staff time, waste players time, and be a pain in the ass for anyone needing something quick for a shop.

If the main concern is to be the overuse of AI slop on signs and image boards, then perhaps just lobbying for staff to be harsher on rule 2.9 and perhaps suggest a rule change adding a bullet point to it regarding your typical AI slop images. But you're not gonna stop people making a gun shop sign out of the studio-ghibli version of their perp character, and I don't see why you would want to either.
 
@rat if you dont mind what are the enviormental and biggest consequences of using ai as some of us might not know

In short:

Each AI generated image can use as much energy as fully charging a smartphone (https://www.technologyreview.com/20...i-uses-as-much-energy-as-charging-your-phone/)

AI often trains on datasets from artists who have not explicitly consented to have their work used in such a way

As a whole, AI generation takes work away from real artists who have practiced for years to get as good as they are.

 
In short:

Each AI generated image can use as much energy as fully charging a smartphone (https://www.technologyreview.com/20...i-uses-as-much-energy-as-charging-your-phone/)

AI often trains on datasets from artists who have not explicitly consented to have their work used in such a way

As a whole, AI generation takes work away from real artists who have practiced for years to get as good as they are.

so me asking like 1 sentence being for example " what is todays weather" is the equivalent of charging a phone?

Ngl that is sad that u could have such a niche design be stolen to be used on shitty gmod roleplay and i understand the struggle, im not as committed against ai as u I'm ngl but like yes i support the idea as it does feel sloppy and some of the ai shit i see people do is kind of weird at times but I also believe a moderation of ai is better cause ai can be genuinely useful to make shit work like maybe just a cool poster not even for org but as friends but also some of it is just so sloppy and shit that i would rather photoshop based community rather than ai but certain things u just cant do stuff about as in my opinion photoshop or actual design is better (not shitting on anyone who uses it) than ai as it feels sloppy and sometimes cheap
 
so me asking like 1 sentence being for example " what is todays weather" is the equivalent of charging a phone?

Ngl that is sad that u could have such a niche design be stolen to be used on shitty gmod roleplay and i understand the struggle, im not as committed against ai as u I'm ngl but like yes i support the idea as it does feel sloppy and some of the ai shit i see people do is kind of weird at times but I also believe a moderation of ai is better cause ai can be genuinely useful to make shit work like maybe just a cool poster not even for org but as friends but also some of it is just so sloppy and shit that i would rather photoshop based community rather than ai but certain things u just cant do stuff about as in my opinion photoshop or actual design is better (not shitting on anyone who uses it) than ai as it feels sloppy and sometimes cheap

Text generation AI is a lot less power intensive, image generation on high powered AI engines is what that article was talking about
 
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I would be against banning AI images, for a few reasons.
  1. Real art is accused of being AI sometimes. Do you really want to make more work for staff by inspecting every single image to work out if it's AI or not? They're already overworked and underappreciated for what they do for the server.
  2. Considering how unbelievably slow real artists *can* be when making art (myself included when I make images using GIMP/Photoshop), the idea of adding more wait time to image creation for assets in-game is nonsensical and only erodes the process.
  3. While AI art is generally not very good, some of it can be. As long as the same standards are upheld so that only good images get in, the quality of the server doesn't suffer.

I will now address some of the points OP made.
"AI is incredibly cringe" - Opinion. Some people like it some don't. We shouldn't ban things based on your own personal feelings.
"harmful to the environment" - So is you using your PC/Laptop to run Gmod. So are tea bags, laundry detergent, driving, etc. So unless you're going to give up tea, never wash your clothes and stop driving (while never powering on an electric device again) then this is a non-point to make.
"detrimental to real artists" - No it's not. If your own argument is to be believed that AI is cringe, then it pales in comparison to real artists who are then providing a superior service.


All due respect, but the world doesn't revolve around you and your own personal likes and dislikes. The server shouldn't ban an otherwise useful tool for quick images because of your personal vendetta likely inspired by using twitter too much, or something.
 
Text generation AI is a lot less power intensive, image generation on high powered AI engines is what that article was talking about
i mean sure it might use high power but

how many hours/mins do you take to make photo

dont you think that you have pc on and that take power as will also time ?

i think useing AI will save your time and save more power than you will use to make photo

i mean i think you made this suggestion for your own benefit so people order from you ?
 
Real art is accused of being AI sometimes. Do you really want to make more work for staff by inspecting every single image to work out if it's AI or not? They're already overworked and underappreciated for what they do for the server.
All images already need to be approved by staff. This seems like a rather nonsensical argument in this case.
Considering how unbelievably slow real artists *can* be when making art (myself included when I make images using GIMP/Photoshop), the idea of adding more wait time to image creation for assets in-game is nonsensical and only erodes the process.
Speed shouldn’t override quality or artistic integrity. Also, the notion that “waiting for art” erodes the process assumes people need a custom image instantly, which just isn't the case. Signs and billboards are a "want" not a "need". They're not required for shops, to advertise your shop/org, or anything like that - you can easily wait a few days to get a nice piece of original art if you really need something for your signs/billboards.

While AI art is generally not very good, some of it can be. As long as the same standards are upheld so that only good images get in, the quality of the server doesn't suffer.
When "some" AI images are acceptable, people will test the line constantly. This encourages mediocrity and reduces the incentive for anyone to contribute original, tailored artwork. Standards become muddier and harder to enforce.

Since AI art is also so much faster to make, this will easily create more work for staff, than if AI content is outright banned. AI art is easy to flood the system with, leading to many more submissions that staff have to comb through just to find a few acceptable ones.
"harmful to the environment" - So is you using your PC/Laptop to run Gmod. So are tea bags, laundry detergent, driving, etc. So unless you're going to give up tea, never wash your clothes and stop driving (while never powering on an electric device again) then this is a non-point to make.
This is a poor argument considering that 128 players pulling 100W to play would use 12.8kWh, which is roughly like charging 1000 phones an hour. So in the grand scheme of things, compared to playing here, it really means nothing.
False equivalence. Just because many things are harmful doesn’t mean we should ignore additional, avoidable harms.

"detrimental to real artists" - No it's not. If your own argument is to be believed that AI is cringe, then it pales in comparison to real artists who are then providing a superior service.
AI-generated art often mimics styles of real artists without credit or compensation. It dilutes the value of creative work by offering a cheap, easily accessible alternative that looks “good enough” to the untrained eye, which undermines commissions and community artists that could otherwise contribute meaningfully.

i think useing AI will save your time and save more power than you will use to make photo
The energy used to create an AI-generated image is concentrated in large GPU data centers running intensive models, which are far beyond the wattage of a local Photoshop or GIMP session.
An artist working on a PC draws minimal incremental power and typically uses hardware already in operation for daily tasks. AI art, on the other hand, introduces extra energy costs per use, especially when repeatedly prompting for "good-enough" results.
Also, yes, it’s faster, but faster doesn't mean better.
i mean i think you made this suggestion for your own benefit so people order from you ?
This is just a personal attack, not a real argument, and is deflection from the actual topic at hand. Accusing someone of self-interest does not invalidate the concerns they raise.

TL;DR
AI-generated images may be fast, but they undermine quality, artistic integrity, and immersion. Their ease of use encourages mediocrity, floods staff with low-effort submissions, and dilutes the value of real artists’ work. Claims about energy use and convenience ignore the broader impact and aren’t valid reasons to lower standards. Accusations of self-interest don’t address the actual concerns being raised.
Signs are a luxury, not a necessity, and we should prioritize creativity over shortcuts.
 
People want Freedom.

Look at the downvotes.

PERPHEADS is a community of tons of people who all want different things, however the majority is against restriction.

This idea seems like its fueled by the desire of freelancers or graphic designers who want to make money off the players by restricting their access to alternatives so they have no choice.

That is not an ethical business practice nor is it a good change for the server to take away the rights of people to make art without relying on you.
 
People want Freedom.

Look at the downvotes.

PERPHEADS is a community of tons of people who all want different things, however the majority is against restriction.

This idea seems like its fueled by the desire of freelancers or graphic designers who want to make money off the players by restricting their access to alternatives so they have no choice.

That is not an ethical business practice nor is it a good change for the server to take away the rights of people to make art without relying on you.

Did you bump your head or something
 
Look at the downvotes.

PERPHEADS is a community of tons of people who all want different things, however the majority is against restriction.
Oh absolutely, because downvotes are clearly the most reliable way to measure what’s best for a community long-term. Popularity contests have never led to questionable decisions before, right?
Freedom is great, but let’s not pretend that “freedom” means “no standards whatsoever.”

This idea seems like its fueled by the desire of freelancers or graphic designers who want to make money off the players by restricting their access to alternatives so they have no choice.
The age-old conspiracy: someone asking for basic quality control must clearly be in it for the cash. Forget the years of RP communities encouraging player-created content, forget the countless people who make things for free because they care - no, it must be a scam to make five bucks off a sign. Very rational take.

That is not an ethical business practice nor is it a good change for the server to take away the rights of people to make art without relying on you.
You’re not being forced to commission anyone. You’re just being asked to put in some effort, which, clearly, is asking a lot.
No one’s stopping you from opening GIMP or Paint and making something yourself. But let’s be real: you don’t want to create. You want something instant and effortless, and you’re upset that someone’s suggesting that might not be the best look for the server.
 
Seems like people are under the impression that this was made to benefit the OP but I think this is a great idea, fuck AI slop, if you're not willing to make good artwork or pay someone commission to make something for you, don't bother.

Look at the downvotes.
I want you to know that myself and literally everyone else purposefully downvotes your suggestions because it's funny, settling this based on the forums voting system is bad, focus on the reception.
 
Seems like people are under the impression that this was made to benefit the OP but I think this is a great idea, fuck AI slop, if you're not willing to make good artwork or pay someone commission to make something for you, don't bother.
It absoloutely wasn't, by the way, I have stated at least twice that I can't use photo editing software to save my life.
 
It absoloutely wasn't, by the way, I have stated at least twice that I can't use photo editing software to save my life.
Honestly I hardly even looked at the other pages because I just wanted to get my main opinion out considering the somewhat negative responses & downvotes I very briefly read to something I'm more so in support of because art is so much better when it is authentic, even if it's not the best of the best but genuine effort is rather put in. Seeing this pour onto the forums sucks because people make awesome content, seeing AI slop is just a waste of space and not real content, I can't imagine how shitty this must make Bazaar look.
 
want you to know that myself and literally everyone else purposefully downvotes your suggestions because it's funny, settling this based on the forums voting system is bad, focus on the reception.
When people downvote me cause its me rather than my idea thats cool,. I respect that people can downvote or upvote me for whatever reason. It's illogical however to bring that up here because that has no relevancy or logic behind it, rather it seems like a Strawman about how "people downvote you to be funny, so let's be ignorant and pretend the downvotes here don't count as bad reception."

By your own admission, this effect of people downvoting to be funny only applies to me specifically.

That does not discredit the majority that is downvoting this idea because I am here now or because of how I am treated. Rather, it makes it stronger because despite it NOT being me, the idea is still being downvoted and a vote is factually a form of reception.
 
When people downvote me cause its me rather than my idea thats cool,. I respect that people can downvote or upvote me for whatever reason. It's illogical however to bring that up here because that has no relevancy or logic behind it, rather it seems like a Strawman about how "people downvote you to be funny, so let's be ignorant and pretend the downvotes here don't count as bad reception."

By your own admission, this effect of people downvoting to be funny only applies to me specifically.

That does not discredit the majority that is downvoting this idea because I am here now or because of how I am treated. Rather, it makes it stronger because despite it NOT being me, the idea is still being downvoted and a vote is factually a form of reception.

It's easier to press a button than to present a coherent argument though, evidently
 
It's easier to press a button than to present a coherent argument though, evidently

"Pressing a button" to downvote your idea does not equal someone not having a valid reason to disagree. You're not entitled to everyone justifying their opinions in individual replies each time any one want to downvote and maybe there is already a reply that explains their reasoning.
 
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