Action Request (sza)

[Dahweeble]

Your Steam Name: Dahweeble
Your Roleplay Name: Leonardo Snow
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:1:441719778

Player's Steam Name: sza
Player's Roleplay Name: Storm Noir
Player's SteamID: STEAM_0:0:33122264

Why should this player be punished?: Counter raided us whilst a cop was on scene killing me, which also made me lose my G3A3 in the end.
If he didn't counter raid there is a big chance we would've won that raid as we also had a flanker at gas station and several inside alive. I had already killed a bunch of cops so we most likely lost all loot and our own guns because of this.

Evidence Link: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kpEDYqzQISpE2zBJq?invite=cr-MSwzVTYsMjc4NTIxOTU3

 

[sza]

Respectfully, I don't see how you expect me to have the omniscience of an Officer 200-300 meters half way up harbor lane and crouch hiding behind a police vehicle while I'm in the middle of shooting you at the bottom of Projex stairs. To claim this Officer was "on scene", as if he was standing in your immediate vicinity while I'm also killing you, seems not only dishonest but a stretch for the sole purpose of unnecessary incrimination and sparing your lost items. In your own evidence provided, you can clearly see that not only was he just barely pulling up to the area, but hiding behind a full sized ambulance AND without even exiting the vehicle before my first rounds hit you. In no way shape or form did I have any reasonable ability to be privy to this cop given my full focus on your exact positioning at the time and the bottom Projex staircase angle. I'm not even sure this cop vehicle is in my render distance.

 

[Dahweeble]

Respectfully, I don't see how you expect me to have the omniscience for the full awareness of an Officer 200-300 meters half way up harbor lane and crouch hiding behind a police vehicle while I'm in the middle of shooting you at the bottom of Projex stairs. To claim this Officer was "on scene", as if he was standing in your immediate vicinity while I'm also killing you, seems not only dishonest but a stretch for the sole purpose of incrimination and sparing your lost items. In your own evidence provided, you can clearly see that not only was he just barely pulling up to the area, but hiding behind a full sized ambulance AND without even exiting the vehicle before my first rounds hit you. In no way shape or form did I have any reasonable ability to be privy to this cop given my full focus on your exact positioning at the time and the bottom Projex staircase angle. I'm not even sure this cop vehicle is in my render distance.

He was still on scene. I was aware that he was there as my mate told me on TS and I was literally looking at the car. It's your responsibility to know if there are any cops on scene. And he was obviously on scene considering he was next to all the bodies I had just killed. You should look around and be absolutely certain that there are no cops on scene before you counter.

 

[sza]

He was still on scene. I was aware that he was there as my mate told me on TS and I was literally looking at the car. It's your responsibility to know if there are any cops on scene. And he was obviously on scene considering he was next to all the bodies I had just killed. You should look around and be absolutely certain that there are no cops on scene before you counter.

I disagree with your ideology that, from Yogs Pub and having already diligently scoped out the area the first time I drove down to that location, in the middle of running to kill raiders of my associates while visibly armed, I need to put that on temporary pause, run past armed gun men who can/will KOS me, and run half way up the Harbor Lane to make sure there are no cops crouch hiding behind abandoned vehicles/ambulances before retaliating. An area that I just scanned and didn't see any arrivals in. ??? There is nothing "obvious" about anything in your evidence, the guy is doing everything in his power to remain hidden, and I hardly believe that you believe that yourself - or that any of this makes actual sense or should be prosecuted. You've clipped an Officer barely arriving to a scene, hiding behind an ambulance and then behind his vehicle, outside my perspective, and while I'm already in the middle of initiating my retaliation. Plenty of effort was made before hand to abide by 3.4 and this unique scenario is far out the realm of reason to warrant violation imo. I don't really have anything else to add, staff can deliberate on who is right or wrong and I'll accept whatever outcome.

 

[Mini]

@sza can you either upload your demo of the situation or record the situation from your demo? If you need the demo name let me know I can try find it

 

[sza]

@sza can you either upload your demo of the situation or record the situation from your demo? If you need the demo name let me know I can try find it

Yea can I have the demo name please & the time of the kill (or tick) if it's not too much trouble.

 

[Mini]

perpheads_demo_2025-6-1 13-35-48.dem appears to be the file, you killed dahweeble about 50minutes into the demo

 

[sza]

perpheads_demo_2025-6-1 13-35-48.dem appears to be the file, you killed dahweeble about 50minutes into the demo

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3-5 Seconds prior the clip start, I'm driving down Harbor Lane to fully review any Cops on scene, I pull up near Delivery Warehouse and this is where it begins.

• Lushi, my associate, is giving comms as towards the presence of any Cops on scene.
• In the footage it is confirmed from my org member that a property I co-own is being bomb raided. In addition to me knowing cops are on scene in the beginning, Lushi calls this out as well throughout since he has a better positioning for a decent portion of the footage
• I sit there and wait a substantial amount of time while armed for the Cops to be cleared. Lushi then gives comms that they have been killed, I also see no new arrivals to the actual scene and location of the crime/shooting, and surely not half way up Harbor Lane hiding behind random bs/pulling up in the middle of my sprint.
• I hop out the whip, B-line it for the Delivery Warehouse angle, then chef up him and his friend.

Let me know if any additional perspective is required and I'd be happy to showcase the footage however which way is supportive to your investigation.

 

[Dahweeble]

My mate pointed out that you drove down to an active shootout and hung around, which can be considered 3.4. Like yes, your mate owned the base, but why risk your life sitting right next to a shootout?

 

[sza]

My mate pointed out that you drove down to an active shootout and hung around, which can be considered 3.4. Like yes, your mate owned the base, but why risk your life sitting right next to a shootout?

From the Server Rules:

3.4 Putting your Life at Risk​

Any actions that risk a player’s life, well-being or freedom from imprisonment must be done for beneficial and realistic reasons. Players must take measures to avoid their death at all times.



Examples of unreasonable risks include:

• Remaining near shootouts while unarmed/uninvolved, or with the intention of looting weapons.

It is both beneficial and realistic for me to be defending my property where my org mates are dying and my valuable items are stored. I am also fully armed as you can clearly see from my footage.


From the 3.4 Guidelines:

Shootouts​

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During shootouts, if you are not a part of the situation, Rule 3.4 - Putting your life at risk is primordial.


If you witness a shootout, STAY AWAY! In order to preserve your well being you MUST NOT approach the area regardless if its in the way of your property, car, destination, friend, ...As a general rule of thumb, when you hear shots or see bodies on the floor (especially if still unconscious) you should avoid that area. Ideally, you should stay at enough distance so that you are UNABLE to see the area of the shootout and/or the shooters, the bodies and eventually dropped guns.


The same way, if a shootout starts near you, you MUST run away and leave the scene, if this is not possible, either hide in a property if you can or else, surrender (Hold C and select "Surrender") so that everyone involved is aware of your non involvement.


TLDR:

• DO NOT approach shootouts if you are not involved or unarmed.
• RUN AWAY if a shootout starts near you (regardless if you are inside your property, as long as you can see the shooters / bodies, you are not safe).
• A gun is NOT WORTH your life.

You force me into involvement by raiding my property and again I am armed in my vehicle.


You initially automatically & incorrectly assumed that I was counter raiding you when I wasn't. If you and "your mate" are going to nit pick the situation, 3.4 explicitly states that serious crime must not be committed within eyeshot of the Police. From the Paralake Laws:

Section 2: Right to Self Defence and Necessity​

Any action performed under this section that is contrary to the law that results or is likely to result in death or injury of a person, or damage to property or possessions must be reported to emergency services as soon as it is practicable to do so.

While not the perfect alibi given the verbiage of the "Necessity" law below it, you created this report under the pretense of an indisputable criminal offense able to be witnessed by an Officer. The reality was instead me rinsing you and your friend for the simple purpose of defending what was mine of which would only be considered a criminal offense on its own should I have failed to notify the Police at any completely undetermined time deemed "practical". The latter is a very different landscape than the previous. Again, you are doing ElastiGirl levels of stretching across football fields in my opinion for someone who clearly had 0 intention to violate any server rules, for a weapon you lost honorably, and of which could've been made back in less time attributed towards this kind of report.

 

[Dahweeble]

From the Server Rules:

It is both beneficial and realistic for me to be defending my property where my org mates are dying and my valuable items are stored. I am also fully armed as you can clearly see from my footage.


From the 3.4 Guidelines:

You force me into involvement by raiding my property and again I am armed in my vehicle.


You initially automatically & incorrectly assumed that I was counter raiding you when I wasn't. If you and "your mate" are going to nit pick the situation, 3.4 explicitly states that serious crime must not be committed within eyeshot of the Police. From the Paralake Laws:

While not the perfect alibi given the verbiage of the "Necessity" law below it, you created this report under the pretense of an indisputable criminal offense able to be witnessed by an Officer. The reality was instead me rinsing you and your friend for the simple purpose of defending what was mine of which would only be considered a criminal offense on its own should I had failed to notify the Police at any completely undetermined time deemed "practical". The latter is a very different landscape than the previous. Again, you are doing ElastiGirl levels of stretching across football fields in my opinion for someone who clearly had 0 intention to violate any server rules, for a weapon you lost honorably, and of which could've been made back in less time attributed towards this kind of report.

Fair enough. Just the other rule then

 

[Mini]

After deliberation with @Vollgas & @Marine Putin we have decided that it was reasonable for Sza to assume the area was clear of cops and that the cop arriving when they did was just unfortunate timing.