Ban Dispute (Draxen)

[angonuts]

Punishment Type: Ban
Appeal Type: Dispute
Which staff member issued the punishment?: Draxen
How long were you banned/blacklisted for?: 3 Days

Your Steam Name: angonuts
Your Roleplay Name: Angelo Chiarelli
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:146725115

Why were you banned/blacklisted?: User were recklessly driving hitting people's vehicles. User also ran over a guy that tried to shoot him, after that he had randomly put a wheelclamp on his vehicle.

Why should this appeal be considered?: I was on the highway to bazaar with the roadcrew truck right before bazaar appeared a clump of police cars out of nowhere( they didnt even put barricades ,cones anything to signal that whatsoever) so of course , there was a car next to this clump and I hit this car,the guy got mad, and started chasing me, I said many times get away from me he didn't , he wanted to shoot me for that he insisted I came out of the car. I started pushing him away with my car but he wouldn't stop annoying me, so I came out of the car, and I put a wheelclamp on his car ( because he clearly wanted to kill me), and I ran away with my car, with him trying to disable my truck with his gun ((failing)).
After 1 minute, I came back (( OF COURSE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE HIGHWAY, HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO GO BACK IF NOT PASSING FROM THERE?) and the guy was still there with his car((right after a turn)) so I accidentally hit him again,killing him coz he was behind his car with his gun drawn waiting for me..(( the admin said I hit him intentionally, I didn't he appeared out of nowhere right after the turn... , but even if I did? He was trying to kill me I don't see where the problem is..))

After I killed him the admin pulled me over the roof with the physics gun. And he said he has to ban me for 3 days for reckless driving. And blacklisted me from being a road crew member for 1-2 weeks(i dont remember) .

I understand the wheelclamp thing,I didn't know I couldn't use that as a way of defending myself if a guy keeps threatening me with his car constantly blocking me.

But He banned me because " I CAN'T DRIVE". What the hell does that mean. That's such an rp thing. If you aren't driving properly the police is gonna fine you/arrest you...the person that was hit should call the police... why was i pulled on the roof for that???
Furthermore I explained to him that the server is full of mods, my computer is not super good so I might experience some stuttering and ,the cherry on top on gmod the driving commands are very input delayed. So of course if a clump of police cars appears out of no where and theres another car next to it, doing idk what, occupying the entire 2 lanes,im gonna bump into something. And anyway,maybe apart from the wheelclamp thing, everything that happened was to be dealth by the RP authorities/players. He didn't care about all this and he wouldn't answer me, the only thing he'd say was "" if you can't drive properly with your laptop then don't play this game " ,'' I've been observing you for a while '', '' You are banned end of discussion" and he didn't answer to all the issues I raised when I made him realise that all that happened was RP. He basically banned me because I am not a good driver (((when everyone bumps into other cars ALL THE TIME and considering the amount of mods,the time a car takes to stop completely, the input lag of the game,it's INEVITABLE)). And I repeat,it's to be dealt rp.

 

[Niko]

Let's talk about the fact that my vehicle wasn't anywhere near a highway, and that it was parked at the Bazaar front parking - with no police cars in sight. Let's talk about you driving the tow truck, at top speed, straight into my parked vehicle - which you never would've hit if you actually tried to touch your brakes, or hadn't been driving over the 35 MPH speed limit.
Let's then talk about the fact that you immediately left the scene when I tried to talk to you, and refused to talk with me when I did end up following you. My intent was never to kill you, my intent was to discuss a reimbursement of something like $5000 for ramming my vehicle without reason. At no point in time did I say I was going to shoot you, only that I wanted to talk with you.
When I also did try to talk to you, you started pushing my vehicle, as well as the vehicle of some other guy driving a Mercedes, who wasn't even involved.
When you finally did jump out of your tow truck, I jumped out of my car as well so that we could talk. Instantly, you clamp my car. Seeing I don't want you to steal my car that's worth several millions, I pull out a Colt Python and try to take out your wheels. Shit gun and no reserve ammo unfortunately, so it's not a success. I get an AK from my trunk in case you get back, call the police, and then I go back to my car to try and crowbar it free.
As I get my crowbar out, you drive around the corner, and head straight for me. Your attempt at playing it off as being an "accident" is laughable, considering how you had to correct your truck to aim it straight at me. The big issue is, however, that you never should've returned in the first place. You had the chance to escape and call the police, if you wanted to, if you had kept driving around the highway, but instead you made a U-turn only to return to a person with a gun that wanted to kill you for having illegally clamped his car. With no way to defend yourself, you shouldn't have returned to the scene, and instead you put your life in danger.

Also, as far as you being banned for not being able to properly drive (Reckless Driving) - Rule 4.1 states that all government employees must follow the law. As a Roadcrew Worker, you are subject to rule 4.1, as you are a government employee. As such, if you break any of the traffic related crimes as well, you can be punished by a staff member. Something to keep in mind for next time.

Additionally, a dispute is worth nothing without evidence. Fortunately, I at least have some evidence to prove your actions.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/rg5dDgKRUx_x6/d1337cwa5UO7

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/rg5wF420CAAwu/d1337tzDgx9V

 

[angonuts]

Let's talk about the fact that my vehicle wasn't anywhere near a highway, and that it was parked at the Bazaar front parking - with no police cars in sight. Let's talk about you driving the tow truck, at top speed, straight into my parked vehicle - which you never would've hit if you actually tried to touch your brakes, or hadn't been driving over the 35 MPH speed limit.
Let's then talk about the fact that you immediately left the scene when I tried to talk to you, and refused to talk with me when I did end up following you. My intent was never to kill you, my intent was to discuss a reimbursement of something like $5000 for ramming my vehicle without reason. At no point in time did I say I was going to shoot you, only that I wanted to talk with you.
When I also did try to talk to you, you started pushing my vehicle, as well as the vehicle of some other guy driving a Mercedes, who wasn't even involved.
When you finally did jump out of your tow truck, I jumped out of my car as well so that we could talk. Instantly, you clamp my car. Seeing I don't want you to steal my car that's worth several millions, I pull out a Colt Python and try to take out your wheels. Shit gun and no reserve ammo unfortunately, so it's not a success. I get an AK from my trunk in case you get back, call the police, and then I go back to my car to try and crowbar it free.
As I get my crowbar out, you drive around the corner, and head straight for me. Your attempt at playing it off as being an "accident" is laughable, considering how you had to correct your truck to aim it straight at me. The big issue is, however, that you never should've returned in the first place. You had the chance to escape and call the police, if you wanted to, if you had kept driving around the highway, but instead you made a U-turn only to return to a person with a gun that wanted to kill you for having illegally clamped his car. With no way to defend yourself, you shouldn't have returned to the scene, and instead you put your life in danger.

Also, as far as you being banned for not being able to properly drive (Reckless Driving) - Rule 4.1 states that all government employees must follow the law. As a Roadcrew Worker, you are subject to rule 4.1, as you are a government employee. As such, if you break any of the traffic related crimes as well, you can be punished by a staff member. Something to keep in mind for next time.

Additionally, a dispute is worth nothing without evidence. Fortunately, I at least have some evidence to prove your actions.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/rg5dDgKRUx_x6/d1337cwa5UO7

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/rg5wF420CAAwu/d1337tzDgx9V

Whatever it wasn't you in the middle of the road, there was a lane occupied by police cars and the other one by the taxi(which stayed put there for some reason..), I hit the taxi then I lost control of my vehicle and ended up bumping ur car.
After that you kept annoying me and you pushed me against the wall ( as you can see in ur own video) , involving another car that was there too . The blue car involved followed me after I clamped your car,he came out of the car saying repair my car or I'll kill you, for that reason I turned around and went back running at full speed escaping from him, while you, WHICH AS AN RP CHARACTER , SHOULD VE GOTTEN OFF THE STREET , I DIDN'T CHANGE direction cuz of you, i changed the lane cuz I needed to keep the right lane... you happened to be right there right after the turn, when you should've moved away from there cuz it was dangerous( so what you did was against the rules as well...). But even If I had ran you over on purpose that was fair enough since you were shooting me 1 minute before..what was i supposed to do, pull over asking if you were alright? lol.

You did non rp because after I ended up slamming against ur car, you started chasing me and bumping me... which is against the rules as well (( you don't want to endager urself ,and ruin ur vehicle for stuff like this)).
So as much as these 2 videos show how "reckless I was", it shows how you broke 2-3 rules as well.


((in the first video you can hear the screech of the tires too which was me trying to stop..)

 

[Niko]

Whatever it wasn't you in the middle of the road, there was a lane occupied by police cars and the other one by the taxi(which stayed put there for some reason..), I hit the taxi then I lost control of my vehicle and ended up bumping ur car.

This image is 3 seconds into the first clip I posted.
Where are the police cars? Where is the taxi?

You can even see yourself driving down the road, and it looks like you might even be on the wrong side, or in the middle of the road.
There is no way you lost control of your car for the over hundred meters there is from your current position in that clip, until you hit my car that's parked at the Bazaar Front Parking.
Another screenshot, 21 seconds into the same clip. I do not see a single vehicle down the stretch of road up to the bridge, especially no police cars.

After that you kept annoying me and you pushed me against the wall ( as you can see in ur own video) , involving another car that was there too . The blue car involved followed me after I clamped your car,

By "annoying you", do you mean "wanted to know what the fuck is wrong with you and why you hit my parked car"? Not to mention, my car cannot possibly push the Tow Truck at all, so I did not "push you against the wall". Yes, I drove behind you because I thought you were gonna try to drive away and I wanted to talk with you. The blue car only got involved because you backed up into his car, which I can definitely believe he wasn't happy with either. Before that point, he was just trying to drive down the road like any other person.

he came out of the car saying repair my car or I'll kill you, for that reason I turned around and went back running at full speed escaping from him,

I am not too sure whether I will believe this at all. I mean, if you were running away from him, how come he was parked at the Casino before you showed up and went to run me over?
This screenshot is taken half a second before you run me over in the second clip.

WHICH AS AN RP CHARACTER , SHOULD VE GOTTEN OFF THE STREET , I DIDN'T CHANGE direction cuz of you, i changed the lane cuz I needed to keep the right lane... you happened to be right there right after the turn, when you should've moved away from there cuz it was dangerous( so what you did was against the rules as well...). But even If I had ran you over on purpose that was fair enough since you were shooting me 1 minute before..what was i supposed to do, pull over asking if you were alright? lol.

No, I had no reason to get off the street and abandon my vehicle that you had illegally clamped, since I had a crowbar that I could use to remove the clamp you had put on it. It's quite a stretch for you to try saying I was breaking the rules in staying by my car.
And granted, running me over on purpose would've been fine - if it wasn't because you already had a perfect chance to escape when you first left the scene, but instead made a u-turn to go back after me. Unless there is some evidence to prove that the guy in the blue Mercedes actually threatened you, I can only believe you turned around to go back and kill me, which would mean returning to a person with a gun that's very intent on killing you.

You did non rp because after I ended up slamming against ur car, you started chasing me and bumping me... which is against the rules as well (( you don't want to endager urself ,and ruin ur vehicle for stuff like this)).

By "non-rp", I think you mean "actual RP". See, I wanted to talk to you about the crime that you had committed in ramming into my car, and then attempting to flee the scene. I wanted to discuss a reimbursement for the In-Character damage you caused my vehicle. Chasing you is not "non-rp", and I wasn't bumping into you - at least not intentionally. I bumped into your truck just once in the clip as I thought you were going to try to escape and wanted to chase after you, but I never went out of my way to hit your truck with my vehicle.

 

[angonuts]

Bro dont play dumb you were roaming in the middle of a crime scene there at the bazaar u can clearly see blood everywhere and there were like 3-4 police cars next to bazaar . The car parked at the casino isnt the car that was chasing after me and you know that too cuz u saw them chasing after me dont play dumb.
No,you must ,no matter what the situation is , stand in the middle of the road right next to a turn cuz that puts ur life at risk(in fact you died)
When someone damages your vehicle you call the police you don't repeatedly ram into them(like you did 3 times, not 1 ).

With this being said, I know I'm not gonna get unbanned , but I reckon the admins shouldn't poke their nose into in-character things like this, and you shouldn't complain about a guy runnin over you after you shot at them, and you even pulled out an assault rifle for a CLAMP. That's utterly exaggerated and you DESERVED to die anyway and say nothing about that after you where the one trying to take someone's life after he clamped your vehicle. You can try to kill someone if he endangers ur life not if he pisses you off. That's against the rules . I could kill you because you DID try to kill me.

Say i slammed into ur car on purpose. Say I didn't want to pay the damage. Say I put a clamp on you car. You tried to KILL ME for that. ((and you even pulled out the ASSAULT RIFLE , waiting for me at the corner).
I didn't even punch you whatsoever. That's against the rules . Totally. So before taking these stupid videos watch your deeds as well mate...



With this being said, Idgaf about what you did, what im saying is the admins should not interfere with in-character things and let the police do the job.
Slamming into a car is something the police should deal with . And I can't get banned cuz I ran over a guy who tried to kill me.

 

[Niko]

Bro dont play dumb you were roaming in the middle of a crime scene there at the bazaar u can clearly see blood everywhere and there were like 3-4 police cars next to bazaar . The car parked at the casino isnt the car that was chasing after me and you know that too cuz u saw them chasing after me dont play dumb.

The blood was from a situation that happened much, much earlier. I should know, I was one of the officers responding to it, if memory serves me right.
There was not a single police car in sight, however. The clip shows this, and you cannot disregard that.
And indeed, the car chased after you when you ran away, but he then returned and parked at the casino. It is the exact same car, same paint job. Post your demo to prove otherwise, please.

No,you must ,no matter what the situation is , stand in the middle of the road right next to a turn cuz that puts ur life at risk(in fact you died)
When someone damages your vehicle you call the police you don't repeatedly ram into them(like you did 3 times, not 1 ).

There is no rule stating this, at all. Especially since I had a perfectly good reason as I was trying to crowbar my car that you had illegally clamped.
When you ram someone's car, you are legally required to stay on scene and talk with the owner of the vehicle while waiting for police to arrive. You broke 4.1 by attempting to flee the scene and refusing to talk with me.
I never rammed your vehicle. I lightly bumped it once when I thought you were trying to escape, but I never rammed your truck.
And there is nothing wrong in trying to talk with someone after they just crashed into your vehicle.

With this being said, I know I'm not gonna get unbanned , but I reckon the admins shouldn't poke their nose into in-character things like this,

Admins should definitely "poke their nose" into an In-Character situation if it breaks the rules in the process. That is what they're here for! Most importantly, you broke 4.1, which states that you, as a government employee, has to follow the law. If you have issues with this, make a rule suggestion instead.

and you shouldn't complain about a guy runnin over you after you shot at them,

I am not complaining about you running me over. I am complaining about you returning to the scene when you know there is someone armed and ready to kill you there, and you have nothing to defend yourself with.

and you even pulled out an assault rifle for a CLAMP. That's utterly exaggerated and you DESERVED to die anyway and say nothing about that after you where the one trying to take someone's life after he clamped your vehicle. You can try to kill someone if he endangers ur life not if he pisses you off. That's against the rules . I could kill you because you DID try to kill me.

My car is worth several million dollars. You illegally clamping it is equal to stealing it, and I have all the rights to try and blow your brains out for that.
If you had legally clamped it by getting permission from the Police, I would be in the wrong for shooting you.
If any of this had been against the rules, I am certain that @Draxen would've told me I shouldn't have done what I did.

Say i slammed into ur car on purpose. Say I didn't want to pay the damage. Say I put a clamp on you car. You tried to KILL ME for that. ((and you even pulled out the ASSAULT RIFLE , waiting for me at the corner).
I didn't even punch you whatsoever. That's against the rules . Totally. So before taking these stupid videos watch your deeds as well mate...



With this being said, Idgaf about what you did, what im saying is the admins should not interfere with in-character things and let the police do the job.
Slamming into a car is something the police should deal with . And I can't get banned cuz I ran over a guy who tried to kill me.

I think you should try reading the rules again. I am starting to think that @Draxen was being lenient with only giving you a 3 day ban, since you clearly do not understand any of the rules you broke.


I won't respond to this any further. You've already shown your lack of knowledge as far as the rules go, and I am certain that any staff member dealing with this will be able to make the right judgment with all the evidence present - not that you have provided any yourself.

 

[Maia]

Thread locked until dealt with

 

[Super_]

Reviewing the footage provided by Niko clearly demonstrates that you deliberately drove into his vehicle in the front Bazaar parking lot and attempted to flee the scene. When Niko attempted to confront you about it, you still attempted to evade him and illegally clamped his vehicle in the process to escape before returning to the scene shortly afterwards to run him over, which in itself is a violation of Rule 3.4. Your claims of the incidents being "accidental" and you losing control of your RC truck simply are not true.