Police Suggestion Emergency weapons authorization

[Dekkrior]

Suggestion Title: Emergency weapons authorization
Suggestion Description: Due to the extreme prevalence of PD raids, I think an adjustment may be in order for the police department. I don't think this idea will be popular to be fair, but I wanted to suggest it regardless.

During a PD lockdown, or a confirmed raid (A police door is being broken into), a supervisor on duty could temporarily authorize issue of the Remington shotgun to Senior Officers. This would further equip the police department for this hazard, as realistically speaking this is unquestionably the most hostile and dangerous situation the PD can encounter.

I suggest that in this situation, the supervisor can issue a command authorizing Senior Officers to be issued a shotgun from the armory. This shotgun is to be used solely for defense of the police department, and is not to be taken off the property. This includes the building itself, and the immediate surroundings (Sidewalks and parking lot, but not say to the hospital and storage.) This shotgun must be returned IMMEDIATELY once the all-clear is issued.

While an additional liability issue, this is an extreme circumstance, and given its frequency, I feel it's an appropriate response. While Corporals+ can already access this, (And are required to pass additional checks to do so) I feel that granting this temporarily to Senior Officers who have already managed to demonstrate knowledge of policy and have not been cited for excessive force would not be a liability in excess of the potential benefits to officer safety. While this could be extreme, this is a situation in which the intent of the suspects is extremely clear.

They are here to break someone out, and you are in their way.

In this situation, an officer already will be ready to shoot to kill with their handguns, and the assailants are undoubtedly going to be heavily armed. Providing them with a more effective means to stop a threat for this specific circumstance, could be the difference between a dangerous criminal being put back on the street, or even the officer being able to go home to their family that night.

This is a serious measure, for an extreme circumstance.

Why should this be added?:
- Increased deterrent against PD raids
- Officer Safety
- More effective suppression of threats
- Allows officers who are not interested in TFU to more effectively assist in the most hostile situation the PD encounters

What negatives could this have?:
- PD Will likely say this is a liability concern and should require additional certification
- People may think the PD is too hard to raid
- Requires additional supervisory duties in enforcing policy
- Can lead to potential firearms violations, whether intentionally abused or not

What problem would this suggestion solve?: The PD being raided is already a fight-or-flight situation. If heavier weapons are available in the armory, realistically speaking it would be better to have officers go down using weapons they're not approved for than to futher risk outright losing the police department (And, while not in gameplay in RP,) losing the armory itself and the weapons inside.

 

[Caveric Jonson]

I like this idea but crim mains won’t so it won’t get accepted

 

[exrobite]

German PLPD be like, und mein gott die pd ist raiden hans get ze flammenthrower

 

[cron73]

ah yes as if a pd raid isn’t already insanely difficult on v6 already. to have already a zerg of pistol cops, i can’t even imagine how awful it will be rushing into the jail cells and see a firing squad of 6 pistol cops all with remingtons in hand when you open the door

 

[Ashur]

This isnt really neccesary, any SO can apply for RTFO, which allows them to gear up during pd lockdowns/raids and utilise better firearms and equipment + armor.

 

[Baba]

Giving SO better gun is shit , what @Ashur said is basically why it's buns

 

[Spagety]

I like this idea but crim mains won’t so it won’t get accepted

I get that you want to throw hate on crim mains or whatever but this would not even make sense from the perspective of the PD.

The remington shotgun is not exactly a direct upgrade from using a pistol, they are both different firearms and share VASTLY different effective ranges. Having an option to let SOs use a weapon that lacks range effectiveness in something as open as a PD raid is not going to benefit them that much.

@Dekkrior Why would you add an option for officers of a specific rank to be able to use a higher ranking weapon that provides a small tactical advantage for a very brief amount of time in only one specific type of incident? Especially when you consider TFU being a very viable career path for Senior Officers?

 

[ThePeak]

Just get RTFO or cpl not hard

 

[JuanBonita]

suggestion: make pd raids on high pop impossible as if they arent almost already

all the bonuses you gave are literally just saying make pd raids far harder for crim so you can larp seeing your family which consists of a starving child and a wife that wants a divorce in the city of paralake

 

[Dekkrior]

Just get RTFO or cpl not hard

tbf, i'd just rather people not raid the pd at all, it used to be a big event now it's just another one of the 3-4 shootouts occurring at all times. As a lower tier cop (Who has only limited desire to level up within the PD), the fact that my RP has to basically be nullified by every significant arrest leading to a 10 toes call is just kinda infuriating. The level of violence the PD alone sees in a day though would warrant a military response at this point, and I feel like we've hit the point where PD raids are just as if not more common than random base raids. Between that, the frequency of bank robberies, and bank raids as well, trying to do anything but go blackscreen is borderline impossible at this point at higher population levels. Honestly my biggest frustration comes from the RP angle of it all. The PLPD is incredibly fledged out, with a really intricate structure. That being said, Since I was last significantly active back in V5, PD raids have absolutely exploded, and there has been little to counter it.

The fact that I actively noticed it being a problem when I came back and mained courier due to the lobby being inaccessible due to shootouts every other time I was in the city kinda says something to me.

My bigger point is, the PD and this server as a whole is based around RP. The suspension of disbelief for the PD at this point is getting stretched a little thin for me giving how often the PD is completely wiped in the department itself. It would be nice to see a proper RP response in some way rather than just corrective action through rules/map changes.

 

[exrobite]

suggestion: make pd raids on high pop impossible as if they arent almost already

I think PD raids are actually bad for the server and people can't be trusted to be normal about them

 

[Dekkrior]

I think PD raids are actually bad for the server and people can't be trusted to be normal about them

honestly i agree, I think a big part of it being the penalty for dying being significantly less harsh than being caught is a huge part of it too

i think the fact that if you're unconcious in a shootout with PD, you want to die and not get revived is a pretty big cause of it all

 

[exrobite]

honestly i agree, I think a big part of it being the penalty for dying being significantly less harsh than being caught is a huge part of it too

I think the PD hostage change was a step in the right direction but the current PD raid culture encourages people to sit back and wait once hearing a ten toes call when the realistic goal should be to break out an ally or friend before they make it to the PD

 

[cron73]

tbf, i'd just rather people not raid the pd at all, it used to be a big event now it's just another one of the 3-4 shootouts occurring at all times. As a lower tier cop (Who has only limited desire to level up within the PD), the fact that my RP has to basically be nullified by every significant arrest leading to a 10 toes call is just kinda infuriating. The level of violence the PD alone sees in a day though would warrant a military response at this point, and I feel like we've hit the point where PD raids are just as if not more common than random base raids. Between that, the frequency of bank robberies, and bank raids as well, trying to do anything but go blackscreen is borderline impossible at this point at higher population levels. Honestly my biggest frustration comes from the RP angle of it all. The PLPD is incredibly fledged out, with a really intricate structure. That being said, Since I was last significantly active back in V5, PD raids have absolutely exploded, and there has been little to counter it.

The fact that I actively noticed it being a problem when I came back and mained courier due to the lobby being inaccessible due to shootouts every other time I was in the city kinda says something to me.

My bigger point is, the PD and this server as a whole is based around RP. The suspension of disbelief for the PD at this point is getting stretched a little thin for me giving how often the PD is completely wiped in the department itself. It would be nice to see a proper RP response in some way rather than just corrective action through rules/map changes.

just become RTU and don’t respond to it then

 

[Dekkrior]

just become RTU and don’t respond to it then

That's not what RTU is for, being RTU shoud/does not constitute a blatant ability not to respond to non-traffic incidents.

 

[Foga]

it seems that everyone's criticism is that this would make pd raids significantly harder. but everyone is complaining about the frequency of raids, which this would solve and mean that when you're raiding, you're actually doing it for good reason