Not allowed to mug at the DD

[John Daymon]

You clearly haven't understood what I've said to you at all @JarredInator it should be done in a realistic manner, yes which doing in a public view really isn't, at all.

Behind bank, abandoned docks, alley behind a set of garages, cove underneath a building, a rarely used underpass (where the lights literally flicker due to bad maintenance), the garbage containers behind a wall of a restaurant, I don't know how far you want to get out of public view but that's as far as you can probably go.

As stated several times now in my posts I've never stated that behind the bank, is not in view of the public, I've only stated that mugging at the moment isn't allowed at the drug dealer at all due to the fact that we're discussing if we should move the DD to other locations or what we should do with mugging at the DD in general.

Now you've also stated that the docks are abandoned, who stated that to you? No one has ever said that the docks are abandoned, as far as I know that's the only was Moron Shippin' Co. can get their stuff out of Paralake and into Paralake.

Also the underpass might have bad lighting and such but please understand that this is still a public view where several people go,

The resturant, go by the stairs and look for yourself; You have a clear view of the whole area where the mugging might take place.

I believe that it is extremely childish of you to put a GIF of Adolf Hitler and Nazi German Troops marching by, if you would like to call us Nazi Mods for trying to adapt something so it actually gets within the rules, then you're just pathetic.

 

[Walker]

I've only stated that mugging at the moment isn't allowed at the drug dealer at all due to the fact that we're discussing if we should move the DD to other locations or what we should do with mugging at the DD in general.

Why introduce these changes before you have done anything with the drug dealer? Leave it as it is until you implement these.

Now you've also stated that the docks are abandoned, who stated that to you? No one has ever said that the docks are abandoned, as far as I know that's the only was Moron Shippin' Co. can get their stuff out of Paralake and into Paralake.

Didn't realize that the docks with 2 run down ships were suddenly exploding with life and had people visit them all the time. Fair enough in the day they might have some activity but at night I doubt you would see many people if someone at all.

Also the underpass might have bad lighting and such but please understand that this is still a public view where several people go,

We have something similar to the underpass in the UK, basically a walkway under roundabouts or connecting train stations. People get mugged there all the time and I personally avoid them if I can because its a dogey area. Just like I avoid the underpass in paralake. I don't see why you can't mug someone here. Someone might decide to go behind the back as its not tresspassing, does that make it public view?

The resturant, go by the stairs and look for yourself; You have a clear view of the whole area where the mugging might take place.

I will give you this one, its pretty public

I believe that it is extremely childish of you to put a GIF of Adolf Hitler and Nazi German Troops marching by, if you would like to call us Nazi Mods for trying to adapt something so it actually gets within the rules, then you're just pathetic.

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no pls just raising points

 

[JARRE]

As stated several times now in my posts I've never stated that behind the bank, is not in view of the public, I've only stated that mugging at the moment isn't allowed at the drug dealer at all due to the fact that we're discussing if we should move the DD to other locations or what we should do with mugging at the DD in general.

If you're not certain about something just don't enforce it. Especially not unannounced. I may know it now. But people who play on the server but don't have a forum account are unaware of anything. There could be people running about still believing you're allowed to do it.

Now you've also stated that the docks are abandoned, who stated that to you? No one has ever said that the docks are abandoned, as far as I know that's the only was Moron Shippin' Co. can get their stuff out of Paralake and into Paralake.

Abandoned due to the many broken down, rusty and half sunk ships? Don't know how any sophisticated transport ship being able to dock there.

Also the underpass might have bad lighting and such but please understand that this is still a public view where several people go,

Several people go to the farm aswell. Does this mean we are no longer allowed to mug someone deep into the forest?

The resturant, go by the stairs and look for yourself; You have a clear view of the whole area where the mugging might take place.

Got my lovely assistant Mario Alardin to pose for us today

I believe that it is extremely childish of you to put a GIF of Adolf Hitler and Nazi German Troops marching by, if you would like to call us Nazi Mods for trying to adapt something so it actually gets within the rules, then you're just pathetic.

I have never said you were nazi mods. I did however point out how you were acting like a National Socialist, a dictatorship, were we have nothing to say to changes and have to adapt no matter what.

 

[John Daymon]

Why introduce these changes before you have done anything with the drug dealer? Leave it as it is until you implement these.

The reason for this to be changed before the rules are changed fully is because in rule 5.1 it is stated that if you mug someone in the eyes of the public (public view) it is not allowed, In the administrative meeting we agreed that it is for the best to remove mugging as a whole at the DD temporarily (might be permanent depending on what gets decided) so that no confusion for staff members nor community members appears around the subject.

Didn't realize that the docks with 2 run down ships were suddenly exploding with life and had people visit them all the time. Fair enough in the day they might have some activity but at night I doubt you would see many people if someone at all.

Even though it is not exploding with people by the docks however there would be a harbour manager and aswell several crew members coming and going. I agree that it would be different at night time.

We have something similar to the underpass in the UK, basically a walkway under roundabouts or connecting train stations. People get mugged there all the time and I personally avoid them if I can because its a dogey area. Just like I avoid the underpass in paralake. I don't see why you can't mug someone here. Someone might decide to go behind the back as its not tresspassing, does that make it public view?

I agree to this in some sense, I believe that mugging should be allowed in the toilets for example, I don't believe at any point that anyone would go to those toilets if you're not looking to get sick or anything that would be.

So at the moment it is what it is with the factor of it currently not being allowed, we're looking into a fat change to the whole thing as soon as possible. I know it might be annoying and stupid however this is what we believe is the best for now

Abandoned due to the many broken down, rusty and half sunk ships? Don't know how any sophisticated transport ship being able to dock there.


I have never said you were nazi mods. I did however point out how you were acting like a National Socialist, a dictatorship, were we have nothing to say to changes and have to adapt no matter what.

The ships are rusty, yes? Most ships are but it still doesn't matter what shape they are in, it's a used harbour.

You already have to adapt to the rules that are in place no matter what so what does this differ?

 

[Sean]

I am glad this rule is going to be added due to people like me getting annoyed when they sell big bunches of drugs at the same time and they either get mugged after selling the drugs so the people get the money or mugged before so they get the drugs. To me this is a great rule to add as this will help with people not wasting there time growing and then losing it all.

 

[JARRE]

It appears that the rule got a proper announcement this time, therefore senior staff should be able to give me a a very detailed yet short answer on why the rule was added, since this was discussed.

- What was wrong without the rule being in place
- How the new rule is going to enhance roleplay experience
- Why the rule was added

 

[Bnjemann]

Now, what nobody has taken into consideration, is that the drug dealer is himself, a criminal. Mugging people for there drugs in there vicinity might not fly well with him, as someone who risks there freedom selling and obtaining narcotics and narcotic seeds, Might feel a need to defend there hard working customers. Another fact about drug dealers, is that they're criminals. This means they have little to no regard for the law, but that doesn't mean they don't have a conscience or sense of morality. Oh, also, Drug dealers are frequently armed.

A drug dealer would rarely be unarmed even in the UK, let alone in a city like paralake where firearms are sold loaded at a bazaar stand with nothing stopping a crook from picking up a pistol and shooting the shop keeper other than the shop keepers skills and reflexes with his own gun. I can guarantee that if Paralake we're a real place, this Drug dealer will DEFINITELY be armed, and they wouldn't stand for some punk trying to take there customers shit right in front of them.

Sorry if you disagree since this is basically an easy cash method, but that's how it is, and that's why it should stay against the rules to mug in the vicinity of the drug dealer. Grow your own or git gud and raid, Don't waste peoples time growing drugs successfully at risk of arrest or raiders just to have some sweater with a PPK take his whole days work in a 30 second mugging.

 

[draftking]

If it would be allowed people will constantly mug at the drug dealer to get a good amount of cash within a dhort period of time.

Also consider that irl you wouldnt mug someone that easy in a drug deal.

 

[Rafxl_]

Why can't you just solve this shit by gun pointing both the dd and the other person solves everything by doing some gay /me

 

[Bnjemann]

I've had a change of heart about my stance on Mugging at the DD.

Mugging at the DD should definitely be allowed, IF, another user holds the drug dealer at gunpoint during the mugging. Since realistically, you wouldn't be certain how exactly a drug dealer would react to a mugging in front of him. He could allow it, he could try and flee, or he could pull a weapon of his own in fear of his own life.

As much as people here say "All drug dealers will let a mugging happen in front of them because criminals are all the same xd", This isn't the slightest bit true. They're still people, and every drug dealer has his own traits, just like any other person.

And, if we have to treat legally employed NPC's as if they were fellow players in regards to RP, then surely, for the sake of RP, If we are going to allow mugging at a criminal NPC, We treat him as if he's a criminal player, If that makes sense.

Tl;Dr: At least one gun on the victim, and another dude pointing a gun at the DD, or get in a position where you would be able to easily gunpoint both the victim and the DD simultaniously.