Rule Suggestion (1.2 Discrimination)

[iiTzWasParsnip]

Suggestion Topic: 1.2 Discrimination
Suggestion Description: The allowing of killing someone saying messed up stuff related to the discrimination rules i.e. Racism/Homophobia as well as sexist/sexual inappropriate comments, as long as warning to stop have been given and the perpetrator is still going at it. Evidence must be recorded. In-game punishments stay the same but outside RP, server punishments will not be enforced in such circumstances (Given evidence provided). This would also apply to doing it in someone else's defence.

Why should this be added?:
- it will easily eradicate such comments being made repeatedly without having to wait for immediate action from an admin. Instead it is a quick solution to prevent it until an Admin is able to properly resolve the situation. it will allow time for the user/users to be punished/banned while eliminating continuous harassment which can highly, negatively impact people's time playing the game as well as real life effects on such individuals.

What negatives could this have?:
- Potential abuse although evidence must be given to prevent repercussions.
- People may take something not quite against rules and use that as a "valid" reason to kill somebody.
- Potential to cause in-game punishment to the "victims" of said actions which is dependant upon police verdict.

 

[Medium]

Let them crash out, the more they say it the easier it is for Staff to instantly ban them. Just clip it.

If they say it once and you kill them, they have no priors, they could argue they didn't know or made a mistake which causes them to either get warned or a smaller ban and just do it again once they are unbanned.

Discrimination is also very broad so this will cause some errors and end up in getting players punished for killing someone for no reason.

No thanks

 

[Bnjemann]

This would come under 2.5, not 1.2. Such an ammendment to 1.2 would be out of place.

Under normal circumstances players who are doing nothing but screaming slurs in peoples faces aren’t going to have their RDM report looked into as soon as it was determined that was the cause of their death.

Of course killing a player for any reason would have to be realistic and with consideration towards safety and escalation. If someone has been punished for killing someone over such comments, they crossed another line within their action of doing so.

Something like this shouldn’t be explicitly stated in the rules because as far as I am aware, it is already an alleviating, almost exonerating factor that the player they decided to kill was following them around barking the entire slur dictionary at everyone.

Furthermore, killing someone in a populated area more or less means everyone has to leave the area under 3.4, which could well be rather pedantic on Friday and Saturday evenings when everyone’s at bazaar and the servers full of less ideal players misbehaving.

It’s better to make a report and don’t engage with the more minor forms of discrimination, if someone’s being entirely and utterly abhorrent though I’m sure nobodies going to fault you for killing them (As long as we both hold the same understanding of what would qualify as such at least).

 

[iiTzWasParsnip]

That is understandable. I am glad you both seem to sort of agree that an escalation in certain more severe cases would be forgivable but due to peoples personal opinions it would be tough to add it to a rule as people's opinions will wildly vary of what counts as discrimination and what would be considered far enough to result in the imminent killing of a player.

Edit: luv u medium UwU

 

[Clarky]

I doubt anything will happen to you if they’re just using a darkrp gun dealer type of discriminatory language like just saying the n word over and over and over, people wouldn’t care about a swift execution even if you’re a cop (that’s if CC still uses leniency towards those who just decide to put an end to someone’s potty mouth themselves for the sake of everyone else)

Nothing explicit needs to be added or changed, if one instance of 1.2 is broken, report it as normal, if it happens on a mass scale, people including staff are probably going to agree with your actions of killing them even if it’s technically disallowed under 2.5 (is it really negatively affecting their gameplay if they’re being a discriminatory freak?), that’s just how I remember it unless things have changed since

 

[Medium]

That is understandable. I am glad you both seem to sort of agree that an escalation in certain more severe cases would be forgivable but due to peoples personal opinions it would be tough to add it to a rule as people's opinions will wildly vary of what counts as discrimination and what would be considered far enough to result in the imminent killing of a player.

Edit: I don't think medium agrees so much but that's okay lmao

Nah shooting them is fine but it’s easier to just clip them crashing out so we can perm ban them or spectate to see if they keep doing it.

Obviously if they are screaming Kanye west style without a filter constantly it’s fine if you kill them I won’t ban you for it but make sure you also clip before doing it.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

This would come under 2.5, not 1.2. Such an ammendment to 1.2 would be out of place.

Under normal circumstances players who are doing nothing but screaming slurs in peoples faces aren’t going to have their RDM report looked into as soon as it was determined that was the cause of their death.

Of course killing a player for any reason would have to be realistic and with consideration towards safety and escalation. If someone has been punished for killing someone over such comments, they crossed another line within their action of doing so.

Something like this shouldn’t be explicitly stated in the rules because as far as I am aware, it is already an alleviating, almost exonerating factor that the player they decided to kill was following them around barking the entire slur dictionary at everyone.

Furthermore, killing someone in a populated area more or less means everyone has to leave the area under 3.4, which could well be rather pedantic on Friday and Saturday evenings when everyone’s at bazaar and the servers full of less ideal players misbehaving.

It’s better to make a report and don’t engage with the more minor forms of discrimination, if someone’s being entirely and utterly abhorrent though I’m sure nobodies going to fault you for killing them (As long as we both hold the same understanding of what would qualify as such at least).

Wait so we can rdm people screaming the n word? This is gonna be fun jokes aside this is the best reply

 

[Medium]

Wait so we can rdm people screaming the n word? This is gonna be fun jokes aside this is the best reply

If you actually clip it and report it this is fine in my opinion. Without a clip you are just making it harder for the Staff Team. If they say it once probably don’t.

 

[Clarky]

Wait so we can rdm people screaming the n word? This is gonna be fun jokes aside this is the best reply

Can’t just green light that but that’s the general consensus, doesn’t mean you aren’t subject to punishment

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

If you actually clip it and report it this is fine in my opinion. Without a clip you are just making it harder for the Staff Team. If they say it once probably don’t.

I remember once basing and just hearing people saying slurs but also this suggestion is kinda fucked like some people dont actually realise slurs like the shortened version of Pakistan or others like ye it's a slur but people from different regions won't know the difference and think it's normal so to rdm someone over them not knowing is dumb. Me personally when I catch a mfer rulebreaking I just tell em in LOOC to keep them aware of it.

 

[iiTzWasParsnip]

If you actually clip it and report it this is fine in my opinion. Without a clip you are just making it harder for the Staff Team. If they say it once probably don’t.

Yeah as I included in my suggestion, repeated use of discrimination and related language/terms would be needed for lethal force to be considered reasonable in order to put an end to it, as well as evidence must be available so admins have time to respond with a quick and swift punishment without having to make the ordeal any harder for the staff and people involved. Otherwise without evidence and a good enough reason, you may be dealt punishment yourself.