Which NPCs are considered "Government Employees"?

[Anthony]

So, a question has come up recently to me, mostly from cops.

Some are saying that NPCs such as the storage employee are considered a "Government Employee" and therefore can't lie as per the Law/Server rules, but others say they aren't and aren't willing to stake a crime sentence based on them.

And I realised, I'd just accepted verbatim that pretty much every NPC is considered completely impervious to lying, but for example, why would the McUwes NPC actually give a shit about telling the truth to the cops, or even get involved at all. Why would the Storage NPC rat on people who give them business, realistically, they're handing out timed explosives, drugs and all other kinds of illegal shit so it makes not a lot of sense they'd be considered a law abiding citizen...

What's your take on this? It'd be great to hear from Server Leadership on this matter!

 

[Bnjemann]

Back in the day you threatened NPCs to cancel out any chance of that NPC "snitching" when asked and this was seen as valid, as far as I'm concerned thats still the case.

Any NPC who isn't a government employee's witness statement however has to be treated as a civilians witness statement and nothing more or less than that. It's not a definitive end-all to a situation.

 

[money]

Government employees npc's are the same as stated in the rules, it's the cop, medic, firefighter npcs and similar.

City employees are courier npcs and similar.

Government employee statements are seen as solid evidence and can fully charge you sometimes.

You could in the past threaten an NPC to get them not to snitch later. I prefered to get the other person and me to /roll to see how the NPC was influenced by my (or their) threat. it would be cool if this was a mechanic and influence gene played part in a menu or sum.
I don't think you should be able to threaten government npcs the same way, apart from getting them to not "immediately" call for backup, in a roleplay sense.

 

[Lelios1]

Back in the day I liked doing a /roll for NPCs and then depending on the roll the NPC would react accordingly (snitch, keep their mouth shut, didnt even see the incident happening etc.). I'd say though, NPCs that are police, medics or firefighters (being government employees), would almost always tell the truth (only exception would be if the criminal rolled high enough and it could be argued that the NPC didnt see him).

 

[lencz]

There should be a separate / slash command for NPC speech, because otherwise /desc must be truthful.

 

[Tilin]

Back in the day you threatened NPCs to cancel out any chance of that NPC "snitching" when asked and this was seen as valid, as far as I'm concerned thats still the case.

Any NPC who isn't a government employee's witness statement however has to be treated as a civilians witness statement and nothing more or less than that. It's not a definitive end-all to a situation.

Back in the day, for a reason, it was enforced as if non-government NPCs were somehow equal to that of a government employee's statement. That is no longer the case and not enforced that way for a while. Or at least it shouldn't be. Hell, for a while the Drug Dealer NPC was considered a reliable witness for some weird reason.

Telling a government employee not to snitch under gunpoint doesn't usually work, so if you were to treat NPCs the same as players, you simply wouldn't do it.

To answer what a "government NPC" is:
- Medic NPCs in the hospital
- PD NPCs in the PD
- FF NPCs in the FD
- RC NPCs in the RC Station
- NPCs at City Hall

I may have missed something, but logically the NPCs who would realistically perform a "government" function. Businesses are not it.

You should simply avoid committing crimes around them as their "statement" can get you arrested.

 

[Pufferfish]

Back in the day, for a reason, it was enforced as if non-government NPCs were somehow equal to that of a government employee's statement. That is no longer the case and not enforced that way for a while. Or at least it shouldn't be. Hell, for a while the Drug Dealer NPC was considered a reliable witness for some weird reason.

Telling a government employee not to snitch under gunpoint doesn't usually work, so if you were to treat NPCs the same as players, you simply wouldn't do it.

To answer what a "government NPC" is:
- Medic NPCs in the hospital
- PD NPCs in the PD
- FF NPCs in the FD
- RC NPCs in the RC Station
- NPCs at City Hall

I may have missed something, but logically the NPCs who would realistically perform a "government" function. Businesses are not it.

You should simply avoid committing crimes around them as their "statement" can get you arrested.

surely if you’re shooting at someone could you not just shoot the NPC

 

[Tilin]

surely if you’re shooting at someone could you not just shoot the NPC

Rule 3.10:

You must treat NPC like regular players, and consider them during roleplay. Killing an NPC is usually not enough.

 

[Clarky]

Rule 3.10:

The wording on 'usually not enough', in what cases would it be sufficient enough?