Server Suggestion Changing of Mayor Rules

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Suggestion Title: Changing of Mayor Rules
Suggestion Description: I've been personally banned by what I think are too strict of rules regarding the mayor role and rules all together. So I would like to suggest either a less strict rules criteria or make it explicitly clear for new players like a little tab on city info or a broadcast announcing that the mayor has met the requirements to be assassinated. A major suggestion in my opinion would be a revamp to term lengths since they are none to start off with and allowing assassinations if the cash is to a high degree. For instance if your offered like 100k I'd say that's an alright amount, but maybe something like 200k or more would be more realistic since it is a beneficial amount to you and I was personally banned after killing the mayor shortly after he changed the taxes down which I hadn't realized so I'd like it if when changes are announced if it could be attached to the broadcast of city changes just listing the new targets since a mayor could say they're lowering it to 1% and they say that as well but instead lowered it by like 2%. These are ones that I really have but I believe hearing other people's thoughts are just as important.

Why should this be added?:
- I believe extremely beneficial to the overall role and position of mayorship
-A better experience for new members
-A better understanding of what it means to be a mayor

What negatives could this have?:
- while it's hard for me except maybe the hits but at the same time I don't belive someone can just fork out 100k or 200k every couple minutes but I can see how it could potentially end up being one

What problem would this suggestion solve?: Unnecessary bans in my opinion

Allen Kennedy · May 8, 2024

You got banned because you didn't read rule 3.12, because you're new, and because nobody ever reads the rules until they fall foul of them. Literally nothing mentioned here is necessary, just read rule 3.12.

Billie Cokx · May 8, 2024

Too hard to code, that's why you make an f6 and ask if it's been enough time to see if the 'criteria to assassinate the mayor' has been met.
I get why you'd want this as you were just banned but there are rules in place for this exact reason, to read them and to prevent any unnecessary actions (easily checking taxes.)
Just read rules before doing anything or like I said asking in f6.
If you feel your ban was too long or not called for, make a staff complaint, otherwise please wait out the ban and don't gloat about it.

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Allen Kennedy said:
You got banned because you didn't read rule 3.12, because you're new, and because nobody ever reads the rules until they fall foul of them. Literally nothing mentioned here is necessary, just read rule 3.12.

I understand that all I said is to make rules more clear and I had gotten banned for shortly killing the mayor after he lowered taxes without me realizing and I also had other suggestions not just 1

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Billie Cokx said:
Too hard to code, that's why you make an f6 and ask if it's been enough time to see if the 'criteria to assassinate the mayor' has been met.
I get why you'd want this as you were just banned but there are rules in place for this exact reason, to read them and to prevent any unnecessary actions (easily checking taxes.)
Just read rules before doing anything or like I said asking in f6.
If you feel your ban was too long or not called for, make a staff complaint, otherwise please wait out the ban and don't gloat about it.

Not trying to be an ass or anything but that was just 1 suggestion so it could be clearer or less strict though I had other suggestions as well such as a term limit which I think is majorly needed so that elections can be held more frequently and not dictators

Goonsberg · May 8, 2024

Wilma King said:
I understand that all I said is to make rules more clear and I had gotten banned for shortly killing the mayor after he lowered taxes without me realizing and I also had other suggestions not just 1

Just sounds like you didn’t understand the rules/game.

We can’t add every single bit of info of game mechanics into the rules as they will become longer than the bible

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Goonsberg said:
Just sounds like you didn’t understand the rules/game.

We can’t add every single bit of info of game mechanics into the rules as they will become longer than the bible

Okay I'm not trying to piss of anyone but either a less strict or a more clearer set of rules for new players in my opinion is not a bad thing but besides that I keep on trying to say I had other suggestions as well such as term lengths so it's not a mayor until you die or log off

Lhealey05 · May 8, 2024

Rule 3.12 is perfectly fine and I don’t think it should be changed in my opinion

I believe people should read the rules before playing so then they can follow them and not break them because people don’t read them and then break them and believe they think the rule is not fair but if you red it in the first place then you would not have been banned because you would have known what the rule is and followed all the things that go with that rule

Like in your situation you should have not killed the mayor as he did Lower taxes and anyone would have been banned for it you should of done an investigation before you killed the mayor and checked if he did lower them because when the taxes get lowered they don’t go straight to 1% it takes time

You could of checked on your phone and gone on the city app and checked recent changes and you would have seen that the mayor did infact lower the taxes

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Lhealey05 said:
Rule 3.12 is perfectly fine and I don’t think it should be changed in my opinion

I believe people should read the rules before playing so then they can follow them and not break them because people don’t read them and then break them and believe they think the rule is not fair but if you red it in the first place then you would not have been banned because you would have known what the rule is

.......may just be my fault for titling the thread wrong but I'm not asking for the removal in asking for a less strict version or clearer to newer players. I know I look like a broken record but I had other sugegstion such as term lengths and whatnot

Lhealey05 · May 8, 2024

Wilma King said:
.......may just be my fault for titling the thread wrong but I'm not asking for the removal in asking for a less strict version or clearer to newer players. I know I look like a broken record but I had other sugegstion such as term lengths and whatnot

No i understand I was explaining the situation and explaining the ban is fair and the rule is fair aswell

What I would do why you are banned though read over rule 3.12 and the other rules aswell so when you come back of your ban you don’t do the same again and get banned for it again

Also read rule 2.5 and 3.4

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Lhealey05 said:
No i understand I was explaining the situation and explaining the ban is fair and the rule is fair aswell

What I would do why you are banned though read over rule 3.12 and the other rules aswell so when you come back of your ban you don’t do the same again and get banned for it again

I think it'll be hard for us to see eye to eye on this issue. So instead I'll ask what do you think of the other suggestions such as term lengths and hitmen?

Allen Kennedy · May 8, 2024

Wilma King said:
I had other suggestions as well such as term lengths so it's not a mayor until you die or log off

What benefit would term lengths have, and how long do you think they should be?

Lhealey05 · May 8, 2024

Wilma King said:
I think it'll be hard for us to see eye to eye on this issue. So instead I'll ask what do you think of the other suggestions such as term lengths and hitmen?

I don’t believe people should be aloud to role play as hitmen I’ll explain why

So there would be to much RDM and rule breaking of 2.5 and people would just say I killed this person because I’m a hitmen to many people would be killed for no reason at all and over the smallest things aswel and to many rule breaking and refund request would happen and a lot of f6 and AR would be made and it would not be fair on staff to deal with that much as they deal with a lot as it is

Please could you elaborate on the lengths though

Collier · May 8, 2024

I actually changed the rule recently to make it more "future-proof" when it comes to detrimental policies for civilians, but it is unlikely that something will be coded to give the all-clear to assassinate the Mayor.

Generally speaking, you should only kill the Mayor if you personally benefit from it, or if you are helping someone who personally benefits from doing so. Say the Mayor grants the all the Police buff policies, maybe the War on Drugs policy, the House Alarm policy, etc. In this instance, someone who is looking to raid or mug people at the drug dealer would benefit from killing the Mayor. A crafter on the other hand, wouldn't and shouldn't.

@Erwin and I had a chat about this previously, perhaps he or I (or anyone else) might write a short guide for the PERPHeads help website about which policies are weighted more or less negatively than each other to give more of a clear picture as to what constitutes a sufficiently detrimental combination of policies.

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Allen Kennedy said:
What benefit would term lengths have, and how long do you think they should be?

Thank you for asking the major benefit in my opinion is "Choice" and yes while you do get to vote that mayor in you cannot vote them out aka have another election either their dead or they log off how would that be a realistic scenario of a mayor being a dictator in a democratic city? Now as for a lengths honestly I cannot say since it'd be hard for just me to think of

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Lhealey05 said:
I don’t believe people should be aloud to role play as hitmen I’ll explain why

So there would be to much RDM and rule breaking of 2.5 and people would just say I killed this person because I’m a hitmen to many people would be killed for no reason at all and over the smallest things aswel and to many rule breaking and refund request would happen and a lot of f6 and AR would be made and it would not be fair on staff to deal with that much as they deal with a lot as it is

Please could you elaborate on the lengths though

Sure just one thing about the hitmen though I had thought that being a negative so that's why I suggested maybe just a high cash requirement could assist in that and while I can't think of an exact length to be honest I just believe it's needed all together for the option of "choice" not a choose who you want to be your dictator if you liked their policies then just vote them back in the next election cycle like a democracy

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Collier said:
I actually changed the rule recently to make it more "future-proof" when it comes to detrimental policies for civilians, but it is unlikely that something will be coded to give the all-clear to assassinate the Mayor.

Generally speaking, you should only kill the Mayor if you personally benefit from it, or if you are helping someone who personally benefits from doing so. Say the Mayor grants the all the Police buff policies, maybe the War on Drugs policy, the House Alarm policy, etc. In this instance, someone who is looking to raid or mug people at the drug dealer would benefit from killing the Mayor. A crafter on the other hand, wouldn't and shouldn't.

@Erwin and I had a chat about this previously, perhaps he or I (or anyone else) might write a short guide for the PERPHeads help website about which policies are weighted more or less negatively than each other to give more of a clear picture as to what constitutes a sufficiently detrimental combination of policies.

Thank you for responding and yes I agree with that that's why I just believe if not a rule change exact maybe just a way to implement a sort of clearer system for new players. But i had some other suggestions if you don't mind giving your thoughts on it

Allen Kennedy · May 8, 2024

Wilma King said:
Thank you for asking the major benefit in my opinion is "Choice" and yes while you do get to vote that mayor in you cannot vote them out aka have another election

I think term limits would just be annoying for everyone, as prospective mayors oftentimes have to wait upwards of 40 minutes from putting themselves on the ballot before an election starts. Oftentimes they're either running unopposed, or against only one other candidate anyway.

Perhaps an option to force a leadership contest would be better. Say 25% of the server goes to the city hall and signs a petition of no confidence, then a new election could be called, with the incumbent, and anyone else who puts themselves on the ballot in the allotted time.

I think 25% is a good number. At full pop that would be 32 people, which usually means the mayor has pissed a lot of people off.

Wilma King · May 8, 2024

Allen Kennedy said:
I think term limits would just be annoying for everyone, as prospective mayors oftentimes have to wait upwards of 40 minutes from putting themselves on the ballot before an election starts. Oftentimes they're either running unopposed, or against only one other candidate anyway.

Perhaps an option to force a leadership contest would be better. Say 25% of the server goes to the city hall and signs a petition of no confidence, then a new election could be called, with the incumbent, and anyone else who puts themselves on the ballot in the allotted time.

I think 25% is a good number. At full pop that would be 32 people, which usually means the mayor has pissed a lot of people off.

Respectfully I do disagree while I do think 25% of the server does a vote of no confidence is a good idea on the face of it you'd run into the same problem you stated so maybe an additional thing to add would be shorter election times and while it might be annoying to you to a decent amount of people it isn't "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."(Benjamin Franklin quote I heard a lil while ago) in my opinion just because it could be annoying to a select group of people does not mean to be okay with a dumbed down version of a dictatorship. so a kinda counter to your statement would be to have shortened election times but I do like that vote of no confidence idea you have as well. which is what democracy get's you "freedom of expression"

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