The PLPD is still a joke

tylerye said:
Dare I say that part of the problem might stem from the fact that there isnt really much else besides PD Raiding, Bank Raiding and Base Raiding for the majority of the playerbase. There is a lack of systems in place that people can experiment and have fun with that distract them from doing things like this, so its hard to blame people from doing the only thing they really can do. There is always the argument of "just passive RP", but at this point its such a small subset of the playerbase that actually enjoy doing those things.

The issue isnt particularly a problem with PD as in general I'd say the PD is in a particularly good spot (maybe I'm biased because I'm active within it). The experienced players who have everything they want will always PvP because it is the only fun thing they can do and they will always find ways around the rules, policies or features that you put in place. The people who don't have anything will PvP because currently it is the only viable way to get the things they want. I feel that the only way to combat this is to make a more feature rich environment that actually adds more viable ways for a player to play the server and achieve the things that they want to achieve.
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If you are able to find numerous people who can willingly just spam pd raids yes it is cringe, yes it is annoying but these people most of the time have nothing to do so they will do anything to increase their dopamine. There is no realistic way you should be able to find a bunch of people on a feature rich server as most are just crafting, rotting on the chem table screen or waiting for timer to end.

Also there's no issue with PD (itself) as most people like to larp about idk the divisions im in probably just have normal people. Off topic 90% of PD complaints just come from bandwagoning and egregiously exaggerating stuff so they have something to whinge about.
 
I have to agree with exrobite, policing has become a pvp shitfest

I just ignore shootouts altogether most of the time now, and yet they still manage to find me. It's all very chaotic and disorganized, and feels like everyone is kind of doing their own thing nowadays, not much teamwork, or any roleplay at all really.

The other day I was shot and revived. Me and a Corporal had 2 suspects detained for 9.2, but neither of us had any vehicles. All the other cops left to go to some other shootout. Corporal told me "just give them tickets", and I was like how could I? One of them literally just shot me?
Well wouldn't you know, not 3 minutes later some people came and just killed both of us and the suspects went on their merry way.
 
PD raids are so common because, for some reason, you can see how long people have been booked for while you're in the lobby, and you can also hear a 10 toes call. This lets people respawn, run straight to the PD, and wait. People don't even need to call out "10 toes" anymore.
 
Tilin said:
elaborate

Because before they wasted your time to just end up shooting you anyways.
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There was a chance they would not, whereas now it's always shooting all of the time.

The people who randomly started shooting cops after successful negotiations should have been punished for 3.4 btw
 
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exrobite said:
There was a chance they would not, whereas now it's always shooting all of the time.

The people who randomly started shooting cops after successful negotiations should have been punished for 3.4 btw
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This was not an enjoyable experience. And on the off chance when 1 out of 10 ( potentially even 15-20) hostage sits actually ended peacefully it wasn't justifiable to allow them.

I still much rather get black screened in the first 2 minutes than painfully go through 10 minutes of negotiations for the shootout to start at that point.
 
exrobite said:
sweet just say that next time so I can disregard your opinion
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I mean he isnt exactly wrong. Towards the end, a lot of PD hostage situations turned into easy ways for people to get to their friends and arm them with a small weapon to then shoot the police. It was either that or the hostage takers would purposefully make it miserable in order to IA bait people.
 
MJ. said:
Hostage sits and PD hostage sits are 2 different things in general hostage sits people act like real humans and don't just drop iq by 50 because they're in the PD
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These people should have been punished for 3.4 (or maybe even 2.5) for making cops engage in a hostage sit then randomly shooting them anyway. I advocated for this when I was on the staff team but it never went anywhere.
 
exrobite said:
sweet just say that next time so I can disregard your opinion
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Yeah cant wait to jarringly have 10 people running around with nades screaming don't shoot me or you're getting IA'd then trying to take the hostage to the metro with them or make a demand thats just stupid and impossible. Also another issue with hostage sits is people just running around screaming cause they see people with guns and get some magnetic force to be involved when they shouldn't be therefore making them an incredibly annoying and jarring experience leading to cops just insta 10-7 the second they hear hostage. However if you genuinely wanna roleplay things like that feel free to just don't involve me please!
 
exrobite said:
These people should have been punished for 3.4 (or maybe even 2.5) for making cops engage in a hostage sit then randomly shooting them anyway. I advocated for this when I was on the staff team but it never went anywhere.
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We had a talk about this. I am a PD main by all means, I haven't even touched Crim in a year or two. But I imagine the experience that now you as the criminal have constraints, whilst cops are just looking for reasons to shoot you (which makes perfect sense as you're literally releasing murderers), would just cause more issues.

If you have complaints about Roleplay dying and this and that. This would make hostage sits even more rigid. Not anticipation, just straight up like reading off a script. It wouldn't feel natural. It wouldn't be fun. It would be fair, but fair isn't always fun.
 
exrobite said:
Shoutout to pure, seething rage and acute sleep depravation for the contents of this post.

Raid fatigue is incredibly common on cop. There used to be so many more things for cops to do, but whenever I've been on duty in the past few weeks it's just raid after raid against people equipped with far better weapons and superior communication. It is not fun to defend a PD raid only for another to happen immediately because you arrested people from the first. It is not fun to get blackscreened then immediately be confronted with two other raids upon respawning. It is demoralising to know that even if you win and arrest someone you have to then deal with a further PD raid because it is now impossible to prevent people from calling ten toes (they can do it from inside the jail cells.) The non-pvp aspects of PD have diminished to such an extent that to do anything else I am restricted to interacting with an incredibly small portion of the player base. Everyone who gets arrested threatens IAs, everyone who is arrested constantly wastes time and abuses supervisor policy. It is not fun to be a cop. The PD lockdown policies are ineffective and the PD hostage changes have actually made the PD raid problem worse. On a 64 population server it is not uncommon to see 1-4 cops online. For reference, this used to be the max population of the server and cop slots used to cap out at 12, which were usually pretty full. Few people bother to interact with cops when being arrested besides whining for a supervisor.

The core gameplay loop is not fun for anyone in the PD except the TFU officers who are actually well equipped to deal with the situations presented. Even then, entering an area where suspects could literally be anywhere is akin to being a squad of Americans trying to make their way through the Vietnamese jungle. 3.4 is no longer a real consideration in any meaningful way, and every time you respond to a firearms incident you just feel like you're going to be the next shmuck in some guys shitty frag montage. Very little has actually changed since my last post on the topic. As someone who has periodically been a member of the PD for nearly 10 years I can say that it's very bleak. I'm tired of the zergs, I'm tired of the extensive PD raids and quite frankly I'm tired of playing police. If it wasn't for the actually interesting and fun work I do in IA I would've resigned by now.

If I wanted to PvP constantly I'd play something that didn't pretend to be a roleplay server.
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this is so real i lit made a sarver sugestion about this problem but it was deleted for some reason.
 
Caveric Jonson said:
PD AND bank raids should count towards raid timer
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Bank being counted towards raid counter is a hard no. Bank already has a cooldown in itself, and limiting people even more on combat will only kill the server. PD raids maybe? But then again that would kinda ruin things more. If anything change it so you can ONLY break your friends out if they get arrested for Murder/manslaughter potentially.

Caveric Jonson said:
You shouldn’t be allowed to act on a 10 toes call if they are in the jails and your in lobby.
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I actually agree on this, its kinda stupid you can react on text screams/yells especially when cops Arent allowed to voice recognise you, then why should anybody else?

Regarding putting raid timer on 1 being that its only 2 an hour is also really low Although I understand, but 1 this server isnt supposed to be strictly people doing Fuckall, and limiting the amount of raids WILL NOT improve rp because most people just to intend to rp in general so its not an improvement rather than just having less gunfights and more people getting much faster bored and just quitting the server.
 
exrobite said:
Shoutout to pure, seething rage and acute sleep depravation for the contents of this post.

Raid fatigue is incredibly common on cop. There used to be so many more things for cops to do, but whenever I've been on duty in the past few weeks it's just raid after raid against people equipped with far better weapons and superior communication. It is not fun to defend a PD raid only for another to happen immediately because you arrested people from the first. It is not fun to get blackscreened then immediately be confronted with two other raids upon respawning. It is demoralising to know that even if you win and arrest someone you have to then deal with a further PD raid because it is now impossible to prevent people from calling ten toes (they can do it from inside the jail cells.) The non-pvp aspects of PD have diminished to such an extent that to do anything else I am restricted to interacting with an incredibly small portion of the player base. Everyone who gets arrested threatens IAs, everyone who is arrested constantly wastes time and abuses supervisor policy. It is not fun to be a cop. The PD lockdown policies are ineffective and the PD hostage changes have actually made the PD raid problem worse. On a 64 population server it is not uncommon to see 1-4 cops online. For reference, this used to be the max population of the server and cop slots used to cap out at 12, which were usually pretty full. Few people bother to interact with cops when being arrested besides whining for a supervisor.

The core gameplay loop is not fun for anyone in the PD except the TFU officers who are actually well equipped to deal with the situations presented. Even then, entering an area where suspects could literally be anywhere is akin to being a squad of Americans trying to make their way through the Vietnamese jungle. 3.4 is no longer a real consideration in any meaningful way, and every time you respond to a firearms incident you just feel like you're going to be the next shmuck in some guys shitty frag montage. Very little has actually changed since my last post on the topic. As someone who has periodically been a member of the PD for nearly 10 years I can say that it's very bleak. I'm tired of the zergs, I'm tired of the extensive PD raids and quite frankly I'm tired of playing police. If it wasn't for the actually interesting and fun work I do in IA I would've resigned by now.

If I wanted to PvP constantly I'd play something that didn't pretend to be a roleplay server.
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This one is noticing, someone shut them down now.
 
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