Criminal Roleplay is a joke

He cant just simply one tap you. You did something resulting in getting killed in a hostage situation. A cop cant just simply ignore the hostage situation and simply kill you.
No i have the clip i announced i had a hostage and he tried to Get me to turn around and then when I said I wont turn around he 1 tapped me lol he literally admitted it here


Yeah first time I’ve personally seen PD engage first in ages and I just so happened to be the one doing it lol my point still stands.
Ye bro I shall cry when crims engage first but when I do it's epic. Im normally not a caveric hater but this is a L take
 
No i have the clip i announced i had a hostage and he tried to Get me to turn around and then when I said I wont turn around he 1 tapped me lol he literally admitted it here



Ye bro I shall cry when crims engage first but when I do it's epic. Im normally not a caveric hater but this is a L take
Did u kill cops prior or gave him a reason to kill you?
 
Bet boss next time I see commander caveric in a hostage sit its over for u lol I was actually trying to rp man. Also its unfair to collectively punish those who try to rp with u youre being a hypocrite urself by doing the same thing no?
The one time i've seen PD do it does not outshadow the hundreds of times crims do it
 
Bold of you to assume i bother responding to anymore of the shitshow sits.
However i feel youre apart of the problem at hand ma bro ye crims are majority assholes however even if u did rp it u would die regardless ngl. But If youre going to sit and complain about this and then fold saying that ur happy to do it in the first place sounds like ur more upset about dying than hostage sits.
 
This is what I have tried everytime, when there's a hostage situation I genuinely try my best to DO the negotiation, don't shoot the cops, don't hurt anybody. But 9.8/10 times I get shot by some nerd TFU with a sniper in the corner. This goes both ways, if you want RP for crims to improve, you need to improve PD aswell. But it's also hard to RP as a crim because you can barely do shit without being banned/warned for 3.4 either.

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Wanna rp as drunk? That's fine, but if you do it too much, cop baiting/3.4.
Wanna speed and drive a little recklessly(Not insanely but yk) = Cop Baiting/3.4.
Wanna Create a fake hostage situation JUST for the sake of RP and not even intending of shooting cops, just give them smt to do = Cop Baiting/3.4.
 
Except massrdming
At least i can log onto the server right now can't say the same to you lol
However i feel youre apart of the problem at hand ma bro ye crims are majority assholes however even if u did rp it u would die regardless ngl. But If youre going to sit and complain about this and then fold saying that ur happy to do it in the first place sounds like ur more upset about dying than hostage sits.
At no point did i say i was happy doing it. Can you show me where i said i was happy to do that let alone happy to respond to your hostage situation?
 
At least i can log onto the server right now can't say the same to you lol

At no point did i say i was happy doing it. Can you show me where i said i was happy to do that let alone happy to respond to your hostage situation?
My bad however still my point stands baby bro however I also do get cops if yall Genuinely zerg cops at 5am that's lowkey some loser shit and your buns at the game lol if u do
 
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My bad however still my point stands baby bro however I also do get cops if yall Genuinely zerg cops at 5am that's lowkey some loser shit and your buns at the game lol if u do
90% of what I do as cop consists of traffic enforcement and answering calls that aren’t raids or hostage sits. The other day I literally spent hours conducting traffic stops in subs lol I responded to a shootout every now and then but I’m usually always doing traffic enforcement.
 
@Caveric Jonson
i respect that the anecdotal evidence provided is most likely valid grievance from a perspective of that play style. But when the approach of “most of the time it’s the crims shooting first and it’s their fault, so my point stands,” ends at just that without regard for the other perspective then that is called Confirmation Bias and it’s a form of illogical and emotional argumentation. Logically, someone who plays cop almost always wouldn’t deal with the fair share of grievances crim mains and may not understand truly what it’s like. To deal with the stress and looming fear of being shot for trying to roleplay taking a hostage as a criminal, etc..

There is a whole other perspective to consider in that case and a lot goes through people’s heads from the criminal side of things. One primary problem for example from the perspective of crim mains is it’s simply a fair point and a valid grievance to complain that if the criminal does not do anything beside hold a hostage, they will always have their hands forced or be killed without regard for a lazy win unless they shoot first.

I think it may be just an objective fact everyone can agree on is that the current attitude towards Hostage situations is that It’s kill or be killed sadly and there is no rules or regulations for ensuring a standard of quality in roleplay is upheld.

From my perspective when I try to be as objective and unbiased as I can at this time, as someone who has played both sides mainly before over the years, it seems to me that there is a lot more both sides could be doing if we all want to accomplish role play where we don’t shoot all the time in hostage sits.

depending on the person’s play style and which side of the coin they are mostly on, they will form a Bias.

They also probably complain about the bad aspects and feel as if the other side could be doing more. Its important to acknowledge how the other side feel and that’s okay. Because, it’s not intuitive to reject the validity of the other sides’ grievances also.

Now, If the point made is that “it’s mostly the fault of criminals because I’ve seen mostly crims shoot,” then I am sorry to say that’s purely emotional, shallow and a biased deflection of shared fault based purely on only one perspective with complete disregard for the other perspective. This sort of point is nothing short of illogical and ignorant

Criminal mains can use their own fair share of anecdotal evidence to also form this kind of of an emotional argumentative approach where confirmation bias is weaponized to blame shift onto one side which is harmful towards reaching a fix that satisfies both sides.

A more pragmatic solution probably involves an approximately equal impact upon both sides to be held to a higher standard regarding hostage roleplay through a a change in the way rules apply rather than simply condemning one side.


TL/DR : It’s not only the fault of crim mains or cop mains, both sides can do better. A rule change could probably do good to regulate a better experience for everyone who’s into RPing hostage situations.
 
Criminal roleplay is mainly a problem because of how long people have been playing it. Anyone that plays criminal roleplay for long enough loses all will to roleplay criminal activities. They only care about not breaking the rules and maximizing profits. Why shouldn't they, though? Criminal roleplay is the only guaranteed method to make a lot of money fast. Government jobs are a joke, and criminal roleplay is so annoying because of the fact that barely anyone wants to play government jobs but new players and hardcore roleplayers that only play one specific government job.
This about how hardcore players only play 1 specific job, here's the thing. I personally would love to play a crim, something I specialize in is doing stupid shit that oftens would get me arrested but not for necessarily gun violence or just admitting to some gun violence I didn't do, including many other things, but generally things I would want to do would be limited due to 3.4. You can't do any PROPER like silly crime without somebody throwing a fit over you cop baiting, and then you get a warning/ban.

In 2016-2017 I placed a bomb inside a gas station with only an NPC and called in a hostage situation which was very very well roleplayed by the PD, and I handed myself in after negotiations. I have been told if I did this today I would be taken for 3.4. If I drive drunk and "Accidentally" hit a vehicle not to the extend of actual damage or serious damage, but still I would be taken for 3.15 and if I decided to hit a police car, potentially both 3.15 and 3.4 there is literally no winning, it's either PD or Hardcore crim only picking gunfights.

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Of course there's passive RP roles like Roadcrew, Paramedic, Taxi Driver etc but there is no proper fun in that, especially cause you can barey do anything on those roles.
 
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