Bring back downtime minging

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So, little controversal but back in my older days, when you were fucking around and having fun. I remember making a report on somebody and staff were like "Well it's downtime". ANYWAY, I understand some people want to actually RP at that time too, and that's fair and fine, yesterday early morning I was messing around with some friends(As I often do, especially in the morning), and I realised I might have annoyed somebody, so I went off duty.

Due to this incident certain actions has been taken, I don't really care much for them because I did what I did, so I'm not gonna dispute or whine about it, but here's what I'm trying to get to, if the server is dead, nobody raiding, nobody growing just afk etc, LET people have their fun as long it doesn't affect anybody, now I understand that police did get life alerts, had they asked me to stop I would have in a heartbeat so I didn't annoy them or waste their time, and I think this should be allowed again, it's ridicouless we can't have a bit of fun when there's quite LITERALLY nothing else to do..


TL;DR - Bring back funtime at downtime, as long you don't annoy anybody. If somebody asks you to stop, or atleast stop doing smt near them, honor their request but if not, let people have fun.
 
I’m not entirely sure what the server population drops to during degenerate hours, but the last time I was active around then, it rarely went below ~25 players. While you might find this kind of “messing around” fun, it almost always comes at the expense of others’ enjoyment.

It also reflects poorly on the server when behavior like that isn’t addressed, especially by staff. Imagine a new player joining for the first time: within 30 seconds of spawning, they walk past PD and see someone prop-pushing or shooting randomly. If they then take the time to read the rules, file a report, and a staff member dismisses it as “fine,” what impression does that leave? To them, this so-called “roleplay” server will just seem like a chaotic mess where the staff don’t care about enforcing the rules.

I’m not claiming to be perfect or pretending I’ve never messed around myself. But the key difference is that the potential for consequences always made me ensure that when I did, it never interfered with anyone else’s experience and it was done in isolated areas. If you remove that accountability, people will simply do whatever they want, wherever they want, with no regard for others.
 
it almost always comes at the expense of others’ enjoyment.
And I would have stoppeed in a heart beat if they requested it, but this is literally a game, even staff fucks about and have fun, if you can't stand that you shouldn't really be around at these hours.
It also reflects poorly on the server when behavior like that isn’t addressed
No, no it does not. A vast VAST majority of players and people understand joking around and having fun. A lot of servers has these downtime mess around sessions and even purge events before server restarts etc, because PEOPLE ENJOY IT. Just cause YOU don't which trust me, you're a vast minority, doesn't mean it reflects poorly. It's been proven over and over again this is smt people enjoy, being able to sometimes, especially if they are JUST messing with their FRIENDS and not randoms.
To them, this so-called “roleplay” server will just seem like a chaotic mess where the staff don’t care about enforcing the rules.
Again downtime and actual gametime is 2 different things, I'm not saying staff should completely avoid rules, it also depends on what's been done but warning/banning over every single rulebreak cause it was inconvenient for 1 single player when he is on his periode should not warrant punishing everybody.
I’m not claiming to be perfect or pretending I’ve never messed around myself. But the key difference is that the potential for consequences always made me ensure that when I did, it never interfered with anyone else’s experience and it was done in isolated areas.
This is perfectly fine, and as I also mentioned, I understand it'll annoy some people and again as mentioned several times. A simple "Please stop" goes a massively long way, if they still continue after then that's where it should be more enforced agree.
 
2016 flashbacks when banter isn't allowed in bases where every staff member revived each org member but they continued killing

/looc ignore shots


While it's fun it just brings its own problems. Keep it on your own private property and don't get others involved for your enjoyment, I don't care what you do as long as it can be kept between consenting parties. Don't involve guns and cars and it's pretty much whatever.

It also comes to staff discretion but the rules should still be enforced where necessary, and if someone is upset and has been affected by this banter we will most likely seek action or tell you to stop.
 
I’m not entirely sure what the server population drops to during degenerate hours, but the last time I was active around then, it rarely went below ~25 players. While you might find this kind of “messing around” fun, it almost always comes at the expense of others’ enjoyment.

It also reflects poorly on the server when behavior like that isn’t addressed, especially by staff. Imagine a new player joining for the first time: within 30 seconds of spawning, they walk past PD and see someone prop-pushing or shooting randomly. If they then take the time to read the rules, file a report, and a staff member dismisses it as “fine,” what impression does that leave? To them, this so-called “roleplay” server will just seem like a chaotic mess where the staff don’t care about enforcing the rules.

I’m not claiming to be perfect or pretending I’ve never messed around myself. But the key difference is that the potential for consequences always made me ensure that when I did, it never interfered with anyone else’s experience and it was done in isolated areas. If you remove that accountability, people will simply do whatever they want, wherever they want, with no regard for others.
Biggest cap ive ever heard “ive never messed around myself” lock in mush
 
What if someone can only play during downtime due to timezone differences and real life responsibilities, should they arbitrarily be locked out of having a good Roleplay experience because of it?
 
What if someone can only play during downtime due to timezone differences and real life responsibilities, should they arbitrarily be locked out of having a good Roleplay experience because of it?
A simple "Please stop" goes a massively long way, if they still continue after then that's where it should be more enforced agree.
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You already stated in your original post, by the time you realize you've annoyed somebody with your rulebreaks, it's too late. No one wants to go around telling people in ooc they're annoyed by you.

If you do it right, no one should know about you messing about anyway.
 
This might be a problem. But can start adressing bigger problems such as paralake not having a dirty kebab house shop yet? Why Can I not buy kebab like in denmark?(greatest Country)
 
If you're gonna dick about, do it where it's not affecting anyone who gives a shit. That's basically it.
Basically this.

If you’re not going to be of any inconvenience to people, nobody is going to really care that you’ve turned the subs park swings into the site of Paralake’s space programme. The worst that’s going to happen if you find a way onto a roof at 4AM is a scary monster called @mocho is going to appear to tell you to get off said roof. If you want to create a roleplay situation where you are hunting down your friend over a minor in character altercation or vice versa, as long as you don’t drag people into it, nobodies going to care.

It’s when you do stupid shit in public around the John Doe’s walking out of spawn that makes it become a problem. New players are highly impressionable. In fact, the other day I watched a demo and saw a new player test firing an M24 into a wall behind the bank. These new players are something else, and as we are one of the few remaining English speaking CityRP servers of our kind, most have had no exposure to this playstyle and just server hopped from gamertag gaming or whatever because they got a 20 minute jail for shooting someone who had a gun out without attempting to arrest stick them first or whatever, A literal hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby case.

Players aren’t going to memorise a bazillion rules and an entire encyclopaedia of guides in one sitting. They learn the game by playing it and seeing others, and the behaviour of more experienced players is already having a major effect on newer players. Before when someone told me they did something because they saw others do it to them I’d cluck my tongue as it was a typical excuse, now however I believe it when I hear it.
 
If you're gonna dick about, do it where it's not affecting anyone who gives a shit. That's basically it.
I don't feel like I'm being a dick about it.

Edit: Yeah just realised I might have misunderstood, that it was a common term and not necessarily referenced to me, but in case I'll keep it anyway.
 
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Basically this.

If you’re not going to be of any inconvenience to people, nobody is going to really care that you’ve turned the subs park swings into the site of Paralake’s space programme. The worst that’s going to happen if you find a way onto a roof at 4AM is a scary monster called @mocho is going to appear to tell you to get off said roof. If you want to create a roleplay situation where you are hunting down your friend over a minor in character altercation or vice versa, as long as you don’t drag people into it, nobodies going to care.

It’s when you do stupid shit in public around the John Doe’s walking out of spawn that makes it become a problem. New players are highly impressionable. In fact, the other day I watched a demo and saw a new player test firing an M24 into a wall behind the bank. These new players are something else, and as we are one of the few remaining English speaking CityRP servers of our kind, most have had no exposure to this playstyle and just server hopped from gamertag gaming or whatever because they got a 20 minute jail for shooting someone who had a gun out without attempting to arrest stick them first or whatever, A literal hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby case.

Players aren’t going to memorise a bazillion rules and an entire encyclopaedia of guides in one sitting. They learn the game by playing it and seeing others, and the behaviour of more experienced players is already having a major effect on newer players. Before when someone told me they did something because they saw others do it to them I’d cluck my tongue as it was a typical excuse, now however I believe it when I hear it.
I understand this I do, I also understand that new players are very impressionable and we already have issues with them, in many cases just shooting people(Not just the random ALT'ers etc, but because they don't know better lol), or that they do other dumb stuff. Obviously, I can't really give any comeback or anything else to that statement, cause obviously it is a problem. We also did get off INCREDIBLY easy/lenient, and I am greatful that it was taken into consideration of that as it could easily have been 4 bans.

I also wanna point out cause it seems some people(Not necessarily posted here), but is under the impression i'm whining over me getting punished, simply just putting it out there cause I haven't really had a reason to point it out until now, as I didn't have to think of any consequences. I did my actions, it was dumb but I also think people should understand that sometimes people fuck about, shouldn't be anything repeated at the same time, I do see the side that you guys are pointing out aswell.
 
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The main problem with allowing "downtown minging" is that it also leaks into high pop for example doing something stupid might be allowed at low pop aslong as it doesn't affect anyone at all. However you might do said thing that affects no one at high pop and you can get punished for it.



It let's people become too comfortable in doing stupid stuff at night and they get comfortable doing it in the day you and will most likely get banned when staff would care at high pop times.
 
It let's people become too comfortable in doing stupid stuff at night and they get comfortable doing it in the day you and will most likely get banned when staff would care at high pop times.
But at the same time, if people can't control when they should fuck about(Obviously it's been stated it wont ever, but let's say it WAS gonna be allowed), if they can't control when the right time for don't get me wrong, I'm not saying every rule should be voided, like if you go around shooting and rdming people in a case of "Minging" or being a dick, you should just get punished either way. But beside that, if they can't control when they do it and which time is correct to do it, those who can't control it, would still be doing it whilst it's not allowed at any time or hour.(This is written really badly so I'll try again below shorter)

Basically, if you don't know when to do it if downtime was to allow it, and still did it at high pop, most people who can't control that is already trolling anyway now even with low pop AND high pop of it not being allowed. Idk if any of my messages really make sense here, I've never been super amazing at explaining.
 
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