Server Suggestion Buff Shotguns

[MalekIsWeird]

Suggestion Title: Buff Shotguns
Suggestion Description: Make at least pump action, if not all shotguns, stronger

Why should this be added?:
- Balance weapons so Automatics don’t dominate always
- make shotguns useful to sell (past farming firearms skill)
- make shotguns useful to buy
- give TFU a reason to use Mossberg
- give civilians a reason to use shotguns over only rifles and smgs.

What negatives could this have?:
- automatics and SMGS lose value
- pistols become less efficient against a primary
- police will be harder to fight

What problem would this suggestion solve?: Remington and Mossberg are highly neglected weapons by civilians as well as TFU.

unless you’re lucky to hit a head, it’s probably a gamble. The shotgun won’t penetrate body armor the best and 1 shot a cop or even a civilian at point blank at times

 

[Pugga]

I personally think Remington as a cop is mental. I’m more scared of @Madlyn pushing me with a remi then 3 heavy tfu

The shotguns prob seem shit because they only are decent hit reg is on your side, and with perp if you miss that first single shot you are likely gonna die to the nature of the game mode

As for a civ i personally rather use a pistol than a shotgun, especially on the new map as it’s more open unless you are in slums or office

As for the mossberg it used to be insane (if hit reg was on your side) as i used to use it when tfu a lil while back, not sure if anything has changed since but there is so many other viable weapons to use

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Shotguns are already quite OP as the majority of the time you get 1 Shot blackscreened. This is especially common in slums and regals therefore buffing it even more will create a meta

 

[Goonsberg]

Since when were shotguns underpowered?

Unless they’ve been nerfed since I’ve been gone (last year) they are the most OP weapon on PERP.


They are a shotgun so range is small, get close & people die, stay far & people live.

If shotguns were buffed in any way it would be like having the worlds cheapest AS50 before the AS50 nerf.

 

[Baba Won]

Okay so how the fuck does it explain me getting killed from 30 meters with shotgun

 

[rxsm]

Versus a civilian a shotgun will win over the majority of guns, against a cop it’s like shooting a pea at a wall

 

[HarryThompson]

I once gp’ed a cop with a sawed off remington, I then had to empty my gun in his face and stomach, reload and fire of a couple more shots while he was laughing at me before he died

Pls fix Them against cops, i mean no body armor protects you from q shotgun point blank

 

[Pinklord (Liam O'Shea)]

against a cop it’s like shooting a pea at a wall

Well, the buckshot against a fleshy unarmoured meatbag (the civ) just kinda rips through your body killing you painfully if not instantly. Buckshot against cop it just kinda hitting them in the the chest with a semi truck, it will knock the wind clean out of them or maybe even penetrate the armour but it aint doing much.

 

[HarryThompson]

It will mush your internal organs?

 

[Pinklord (Liam O'Shea)]

It will mush your internal organs?

Thats what im saying bro! It will liquify your organs but if your a cop with armour, it will just knock the wind out of you and maybe it would penetrate the armour if its point blank. Slugs are another story, cop or civ, you are getting erased from the earth, what ever was there before is now gone after getting hit by a slug.

 

[Anthony]

Shotguns are pretty good if you know how to use them and I have seen many TFU use the Shotgun when they have the ability to. (A Benelli)

 

[HarryThompson]

Thats what im saying bro! It will liquify your organs but if your a cop with armour, it will just knock the wind out of you and maybe it would penetrate the armour if its point blank. Slugs are another story, cop or civ, you are getting erased from the earth, what ever was there before is now gone after getting hit by a slug.

no body armor weared by normal patroling cops in the world can stop a blast from a shotgun within 3 meters

 

[Caveric Jonson]

I don’t even bother using the Remington. It’s so inconsistent. It needs a buff

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

I don’t even bother using the Remington. It’s so inconsistent. It needs a buff

Idk its either super good or super bad like ive seen guys miss horrendous shots and ive also seen guys bum rush you and eviscerate you so hard your game glitches its 50/50

 

[Ethem]

Yes lets buff the shotguns which already 1 shots from 20 meters away.

 

[iiTzWasParsnip]

The thing is, a couple months ago, I probably would of have agreed with you (it was a skill issue and was trying to kill a guy with a shotgun vs an AR from a good couple feet away and died) but then I used the benelli in a raid and killed like 7 cops with it with ease, now on PD with the remington (isn't even the best shotgun I believe), you are so much harder to hit, due to not having to ADS, which gives faster movement, which also allows for more effective strafe techniques, I have experience with strafing in esports which probably helps me here, but feels like, more often than not, having the shotgun even vs ARs, give me a large advantage when it comes to several variations of short distances. The natural nerf to shotguns is a certain amount of unreliability, which is made up by price range. Given this, they are shotguns and should prove to be more deadly close range than an AR/SMG/Handgun. I think they are perfectly fine given what I have said.

 

[Madlyn]

@Pugga has already mentioned this, but it really depends on luck whether your bullets actually register. (Which is probably why I lose all my money every time I go to the casino, mine goes to the Remington hit registration).
So far, there have only been a couple of occasions where it felt like I should have at least damaged the person I fired at. I can't really talk about the way they work against cops, because I've not used a shotgun as civ recently.

Above are 16 different occasions where the shotgun works just fine. Of course; do not use shotguns as if they're snipers, one clip shows I have to shoot at someone 3 times to kill them. If you do use them in CQB like they are supposed to be used, you should be fine.

 

[HarryThompson]

what is even rit reg? Why can it not be fixed?

 

[Goonsberg]

what is even rit reg? Why can it not be fixed?

GMod's hit registration issues, or "bad hit reg," are primarily caused by the aging Source engine it uses, high server ping, packet loss, and server-side lag compensation that can lead to desynchronization between what players see on their screen and what the server registers. These factors mean that the server is often processing actions with a delay, resulting in shots that appear to hit on the client but don't register, or a delay in damage appearing even after the kill.

Key reasons for bad hit registration in GMod:

• Source Engine Limitations:
  The Source engine, upon which GMod is built, is outdated. This aging technology struggles with modern networking demands, leading to performance issues that negatively impact hit registration.
  
  
• High Ping and Server Lag:
  Your connection to the server (ping) and the server's performance play a crucial role. If you have a high ping or the server is experiencing issues, you're seeing a delayed version of where other players are. Your shots may hit targets that the server hasn't even updated to yet.
  
  
• Packet Loss:
  When packets of data are lost between your computer and the game server, the server can't get a full picture of the game's state. This leads to desynchronization and can cause shots to be missed entirely.
  
  
• Server-Side Lag Compensation:
  Many games, including GMod, use lag compensation to try and give all players a fair experience. However, this can create a situation where the server is "backtracking" to register hits based on past information, leading to situations where a player seems to die after taking cover, or where your shots don't connect because the server registered the opponent already being elsewhere.
  
  
• Client-Side Issues:
  Sometimes, client-side problems such as poor PC performance or high FPS can contribute to lag and synchronization issues, further complicating hit registration.
  
  
• Server-Side Issues:
  Crowded servers with numerous players and addons can also cause lag spikes, affecting the server's ability to accurately register hits.

 

[24k3]

just got 2 shotted by a remi 15 meters away the last thing they need is a buff