Regarding 1.2 (Discrimination)

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Hi,

Thank you to @GrandadPyjamas for bringing this issue to my attention. @Bolli and I have decided some changes need to be made.

Race in recent years has obviously become a contentious topic, more so than ever. Obviously, prior to this we have allowed it under the guise of "roleplay". But when it comes to the point at which we have members of racial minorities being scared to use their real names out of fear of being racially abused "in-character" then we have an issue. No one in this community should feel uncomfortable as a result of their identity, racially or otherwise. In line with this rhetoric, we have updated the rule 1.2 to cover in-character acts of discrimination:

Any form of discrimination is not tolerated in an out-of-character context. Racism and homophobia are not tolerated in-character. Other forms of discrimination, whereas discouraged, are allowed in-character and are subject to the discretion of the players involved.

If a player is uncomfortable with the use of discriminatory language, they may request it to stop in LOOC chat or a report. All players involved must respect this.

Additionally, players may not knowingly use details of another player’s personal life or identity to discriminate against them.


This is not up for discussion, however, I will leave the thread open as discourse regarding this subject is necessary for people to understand the issues we face. It is entirely possible to have civil conversations regarding this topic however if you cannot manage this you will be removed from the thread.

Thank you,

Senior Administration and Community Team.
 
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Will I as a player be punished for saying the N-word in-character? If so, I believe this change is good even though I do not entirely agree with it I think this is a good change and it's something that's necessary.
 
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Thank you for understanding and implementing a change that directly applies to the situation.

I'd like to add that I'm not offended by little, insignificant, and clearly unoffensive comments like "Muslim Jay Hatch" and comments about Allah and the Prophets and such. I am, however, offended by comments directed towards me with blatant malicious intent. I have been called p**i, terrorist, immigrant (etc) in passing and directly by both experienced and inexperienced players. I also personally know black players who have left the server for similar comments made towards them and they have not rejoined since. The people that have called me these things know who they are, it's not a joke as I have explained multiple times.

ps. I was called Zack Robberts and Edwin Dayne for 6 years because I was so frequently insulted. It's so sad.
 
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I think it's important to draw a line of what is a joke and isn't, I mean if you do it in your org chat or where no where near other players where they will feel uncomfortable for their race, religious beliefs, sexuality and such then obviously you can say whatever you want. Atleast that's how it's always been with other rules and I'm guessing it will be the same with this.
 
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Yeah I agree. I can joke about it all day with my friends but if I tell somebody who is literally being verbally abusive that I'm not okay with the things they are saying, they should stop straight away... It's totally immoral to carry on.
 
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This is actually sad and a clear definition of bullying, I just don't understand how this wasn't taken into account sooner? A rule does not have to be changed for this to be even thought to of taken action upon, it's disgusting to think that you felt this way in a game of all things. Did you ever try and contact staff about it? Speak to anyone? Because personally if you did I would like to know why no action was taken.
 
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@Zayne My question is why is this whole thing only being addressed now, not just your situation but everyones, this has been happening for years and people have been told to get on with it, I don't agree with this post getting so much love as this has been going on for YEARS and no one cared, it's sad really
 
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No one in this community should feel uncomfortable as a result of their identity, racially or otherwise.
Efan"No one in this community should feel uncomfortable as a result of their identity, racially or otherwise. " Then why was this going on for years and staff did fuck all? it's not like they didn't know about it... You cannot now come out and say this as it is bullshit, people went feeling like this for YEARS. It is almost giving off the impression that the staff team is trying to actually get closure from the community
 
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So this only covers racism?
 
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The current change being implemented is that use of racial slurs, and all forms of racism in, and out of character will not be tolerated.

However, should you feel uncomfortable in-character because someone is harassing you or discriminating against you, please feel free to make a report or contact a staff member, this has already been in effect and will remain unchanged.
 
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@nutrient11 @John Daymon Again, if someone is actually discriminating against you, targeting you, etc. in a way that makes you uncomfortable, this will not be allowed. There is a clear difference between an insult and discrimination; despite both having malicious intent. Furthermore, we are aiming to cut down on discrimination that is said or used in-character as an excuse but is actually out of character.
 
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@blackdown I'm not trying to find a way to be racist with this new rule I'm just concerned that the rule is written one way and you're planning on enforcing it another way. Personally I'm happy with the way its written as long as it is enforced the right way you just seem to think it only covers racism which would allow people to be Homophobic, Antisemitic, Islamaphobic and so on
 
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I've already privately voiced my concern with the rules wording as is as quite frankly, I could ban someone who calls me a slag in character, As that is a derogatory term.

The question is how can we determine what would be an offensive slur banished from use of language and what would just be common bad language?

I'm going to cite an example here. The word "Retard" probably means absolutely nothing to anyone here, to them it probably just means "Stupid". However, the word "Retard" is actually an incredibly derogatory term for people with special needs and other disabilities. The worst part is said slur, similar to the N word, made its way into common language as a label for people who are of a set category. I myself am autistic and at times there's times I'd rather not be called a Retard or even hear the word.

Obviously, we aren't just going to write "Banned slurs list" On the rules. We have a warehouse called "Morons shipping co" When "Moron" was also an offensive term to be used against the disabled and developmentally impaired too.

At the end of the day, we allowed racism in character, people fucked around with it and we lost the privilege. Its just a real shame its come to this.
 
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Is this allowed within reason between friend groups? Or will we be punished over a staff member hearing it?
 
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We will not be tolerating racism in any way within our community, this includes the discord, teamspeak, website(s), server, and any content related to or produced on Perpheads. This obviously will include all forms of communication in-character, such as phone calls, texts, organization messages, etc. (we won't be searching for this type of info unless it is public or brought to our attention.)

While we understand that you and your friends may feel comfortable using these slurs with each other, at the end of the day you have no control over who may or may not see those messages and who may be uncomfortable with them. For this reason, all forms of racism will be disallowed across the entire server. Furthermore, we don't want perpheads to have any positive association with racism.
 
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That's silly in my opinion I know this isn't up for discussion but seriously, why am I not allowed to joke around with my friends in org chat if I know that everyone in there is fine with me saying stuff to them? Or in text messages? I know for a fact that @Hazza wouldn't give a single shit and would only laugh if I called him stuff
 
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I'd like to discuss the word retard since @BigBenji brought it up, is this something that the staff team will allow for someone to say to each other or regards to what others do in-game? I mean I have been close to being warned by @Double J for saying this exact word when he was driving a car in noclip and blaming it on him "roleplaying" that the Tesla he was driving was in autonomous driving mode, I then proceeded to call his actions "retarded" I don't see how this is discriminating and offensive. This is where I disagree with the rule, but I agree with the rule being changed in favour of; race, religious beliefs, sexuality etc etc

Please note that Moron means carrot in Welsh and the buildings name is in honor of @MoronPipllyd (@BigBenji)
 
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I feel like you need to provide a bit more context with the situation you are describing.

Not only were you saying my actions were "Retarded" you were actually calling me retarded, and so I asked you to stop. At no point was I willing to warn you, as I prefer to ask users to stop, then, if they continue, they will receive a punishment. I simply asked you to stop being ableist, and that was the end of it. I don't mind if you're chatting with your friends and having banter, but if you're coming up to me or anyone else who doesn't like it , and being like that, I will ask you to stop or issue a warning.
 
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Felt like this was needed a long time ago. People were just using those terms just freely and not involving their so called ‘role play’

I understand that this is a role play server at the end of the day but people using this term freely without involving RP is completely out of order. Within character I guess so but even then I find it a hit stupid even being allowed.

Nice one!
 
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I highly disagree with your statement regarding "roleplay" me and @Jon Godinn have roleplayed as slave traders multiple times and used racial slurs (that are not allowed anymore) so please do not come here and say that people didn't actually roleplay with it.
 

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Yes there are roleplay scenarios where you can be allowed to use those such terms but even then feel like it’s unnecessary and people are just saying them for the fun of it essentially.

I feel some terms should be allowed if used appropriately however they honestly won’t be...
 
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I think to answer Clarky's question a song is a song... unless you intentionally play something offensive

My opinion on this is like some people stated racism and other terms are sometimes said just because they can but it does not make it right and I feel like regardless of race, gender, or anything else you should not be treated any different than anyone else. We all come here to play and have fun and many people have complained to me (even tho I'm not staff, but just their friend/helper) about how toxic the community is and I must admit at times I do agree.

I feel like most people need to remember that you aren't playing by yourself and that your actions even if it is small it can affect other people and that's where I think we need to be nicer to one another because it may be all fine and fun to you but to someone else on the other side it can affect them and make them not want to play anymore and I have seen this happen multiple times and actually was a victim of that which is why I quit around 7 months ago, well mainly my laptop broke a month after I quit but still the reason I quit was that I couldn't play comfortably without being judged and to be honest with anyone who is reading this, that shit affected me mentally and it's sad and I really wish there was more to perpheads and I am happy that the staff is trying to lower the toxicity and make the game enjoyable because, at the end of the day, IT IS A GAME. IT IS MEANT TO BE ENJOYED not negatively affect anyone.
 
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It did take some time to happen, glad it did.
 
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I believe that is a really good change and this will lead to the server becoming more friendly to people from a variety of ethnicity and streamers because they'll be able to go around not worrying about people yelling n-word like its nothing, meaning that the player count is likely to increase. Good job once again.
 
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I would hope so but I was talking to other members of staff yesterday and there seems to be a difference of opinion some believing this only covers racism. I really like how you’ve put it here this makes much more sense and offers much needed clarification.
 
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haha lol rated this winner because i thought you were being sarcastic, but you were actually serious:nailbiting:
 
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I'm not suggesting this should be implemented, I am stating a fact that discrimination covers all of these topics already so all of these will be enforced unless changed by senior admins.
 
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Hi,

Thank you to @GrandadPyjamas for bringing this issue to my attention. @Bolli and I have decided some changes need to be made.

Race in recent years has obviously become a contentious topic, more so than ever. Obviously, prior to this we have allowed it under the guise of "roleplay". But when it comes to the point at which we have members of racial minorities being scared to use their real names out of fear of being racially abused "in-character" then we have an issue. No one in this community should feel uncomfortable as a result of their identity, racially or otherwise. In line with this rhetoric, we have updated the rule 1.2 to cover in-character acts of discrimination.

1.2 Discrimination
Any demonstrations of any forms of discrimination will not be accepted, in and out of character.


This is not up for discussion, however, I will leave the thread open as discourse regarding this subject is necessary for people to understand the issues we face. It is entirely possible to have civil conversations regarding this topic however if you cannot manage this you will be removed from the thread.

Thank you,

Senior Administration and Community Team.
EfanThis can only be a good thing. Thank you to the staff for acting although I agree with several people that it shouldn't of took this long to spot this rule and change it. Hopefully, players of ethnic back grounds will now feel more comfortable playing in the server and I will be able to introduce some more of my guys from home a bit further down the line but as things stand on the server, I would not feel comfortable bringing on a black friend for example, especially after what happened yesterday in the space of two hours.
 
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It's actually disgusting to see when people use the N-word and well any other racial slur directed towards anyone "in chracter" even tho they are clearly speaking to you in OOC, but they say "oh but but its in character im RoLEPlaYinG!!!"

It's like a loophole where they're allowed to be racist in character so they use that to actually offend people, it's really cringe these people can be up to 17+ years old but have the maturity of 13 year olds who've just discovered the word like haha n word lol hitler haha jews gas lol im so edgy haha 'dark humour'
 
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good to see it being delt with because people call me retarded and shit and say ''ItS iN cHaRaCtEr'' and then its just ignored
 
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If at any point you are feeling harassed, I welcome reports from these users and will talk to the users in question. Granted, they could say "It's in character" but now they do not have a choice. Please do make a report if this continues!
 
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