The PLPD - And The Problem with New Cops

[Max Bradford]

As someone who patrols with new cops a lot I always try to encourage them to go for non hostile situations as much as possible and also to try and RP it out with people. The issue is it is quite punishing to do so. This is simply the nature of perpheads. As a civilian, when you have the opportunity, killing cops is more like an unlocked stage in the pursuit of gameplay, once you reach that threshold killing cops becomes an immediate thing you do, mostly for your own safety so I don't really blame people for it.

But as a pistol cop, imagine trying to roleplay and then getting blackscreened, over and over. Repeatedly. You will begin to think that is the server behaviour itself. Combat over roleplay, always.

Right now, experienced cops also hate hostage situations - because they are just grenade fests. There is zero gameplay reward for roleplaying with cops, you have to deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage to do so!

How would this be solved? Well, personally, I think it is crazy that hostage situations actually work the way they do on this server. The moment the hostage is free, cops just immediately kill the hostage taker.. so what is the point in even .. trying to successfully do hostage negotiations.. just grenade the cops...

PLPD Policy needs to change so that if a hostage taker actually complies, and "free passage" is negotiated, it is actually respected, to a reasonable degree. In order to encourage people to actually want to succeed in hostage negotations, not just 911 the cops with an impact grenade. !!

I have seen some instances while playing cop, free passage is negotiated, and others when the hostage is freed, the hostage takers are too scared to come out cause they believe cops have already locked down the area. completely agree that the RP can be difficult at times for experienced and new players alike as well. I have no issue with normal PD raids when u break in loudly or quietly and start shooting cops on sight like the majority of us did in V5. v6 is different. But I like the change gives us different perspectives.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Are u trying to instigate this for no reason tarone? No one has complained? Or had any issue with being enraged at all. I’m merely making a point about pistols cops

Im not but its clear this has happened to you and u have aimed to go on a rant and make a post lacking nuance to said discussion as you listed virtually nothing besides cops need training cause I died to a dumbass. Also the people saying it does happen majority of times are either just blatantly lying or have experienced a few bad people cause im not saying this cant happen but rather some people are unfamiliar for example grenade hostage sits thats not even noted in the handbook lol and people most likely won't take it seriously as its a moronic way of doing hostage sits imo cause u get what u want then what?

 

[mocho]

Trainers, CPLs, sergeants, staff sergeants, LTs, captains and chiefs of department barely do their ORs for the month or whine about doing more than their required ones and you expect them to train the same pistol cops they run away from to get out of doing an OR with?

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Trainers, CPLs, sergeants, staff sergeants, LTs, captains and chiefs of department barely do their ORs for the month or whine about doing more than their required ones and you expect them to train the same pistol cops they run away from to get out of doing an OR with?

This lol alot of high command when asked to do a OR act like you just asked if they could solve world hunger or to create world peace. If you dont have 15 minutes for the copius amounts of hours for a job you yourself applied for thats being lazy lol

 

[Max Bradford]

Im not but its clear this has happened to you and u have aimed to go on a rant and make a post lacking nuance to said discussion as you listed virtually nothing besides cops need training cause I died to a dumbass. Also the people saying it does happen majority of times are either just blatantly lying or have experienced a few bad people cause im not saying this cant happen but rather some people are unfamiliar for example grenade hostage sits thats not even noted in the handbook lol and people most likely won't take it seriously as its a moronic way of doing hostage sits imo cause u get what u want then what?

grenade hostage sits are just extremely difficult to pull off for some reason haha. i agree with what u say tarone. Yes, there are some bad apples, and yes, I did create this feed based on a situation from last night. and yes ok maybe in Hinesight it may have a copium post. But regardless, it's still annoying to say the least. I understand also that not everyone is going to agree with the post and everyone is going to have a different opinion, based if they think the situation is valid. My opinion is based on what I have seen, and so is yours.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

grenade hostage sits are just extremely difficult to pull off for some reason haha. i agree with what u say tarone. Yes, there are some bad apples, and yes, I did create this feed based on a situation from last night. and yes ok maybe in Hinesight it may have a copium post. But regardless, it's still annoying to say the least. I understand also that not everyone is going to agree with the post and everyone is going to have a different opinion, based if they think the situation is valid. My opinion is based on what I have seen, and so is yours.

I only took this perspective because everytime a bad consequence comes from pd people immediately run to forums. However yes its hard but no one wins regardless pd doesnt cause majority of the time big orgs gun em down. Copium post might be a over reaction but I only was so hostile due to people immediately just running to forums cause they got vaporised by a semi good cop also grenade hostage sits arent effective anyways.

 

[Max Bradford]

Trainers, CPLs, sergeants, staff sergeants, LTs, captains and chiefs of department barely do their ORs for the month or whine about doing more than their required ones and you expect them to train the same pistol cops they run away from to get out of doing an OR with?

What I say to this is that you probs shouldn't hold the rank if you're not doing at least 2 OR's as standard practice and if someone is asking for one repeatledy im sure most cops have decided to run away from new players because they're worried about training them, but i dont think we should neglect them at all when it comes to it. If a new cop is new on the force and they don't have their insignia to describe their rank, trainers, CPL or higher should want to train them instantly because it not only looks good for the new cop. With the feedback that they receive on how to improve, but it looks like you've taken the initiative to train a cop no one wants to train, but again, it's just common sense and actually wanting to do it.

 

[Caveric Jonson]

But as a pistol cop, imagine trying to roleplay and then getting blackscreened, over and over. Repeatedly. You will begin to think that is the server behaviour itself. Combat over roleplay, always.

I mean that’s how the server is. Crim mains treat this server like it’s R6 Siege or CSGO. It gets so bad some days I just mute radio and refuse to respond to anything besides traffic stops just so I can have some shred of role play when it’s claimed to be a serious RP server. It’s more like CSGO with a dash of RP. I love the server and enjoy my time on here but I think people need to accept the fact that the server and the community is more PVP based then actual role play which is unfortunate. PD is constant black screen simulator so how is a new cop supposed to learn anything if he’s constantly in a black screen? I’d argue it’s not a PLPD issue because there are quite a few people who take pride in training new officers myself included but it’s fucking ridiculous and hard to do that when out of the 2 hours I’m on PD a good hour of that is spent in a black screen. I’m spending more time on my phone or my 2nd monitor doing shit then actually playing the game.

 

[SomeUser]

See part of me wants to weigh in and say my piece, but part of me wants to just let this go, My thoughts are that no matter what you do, Nobody will be happy, I have something I want to propose to patrol command, as much as people are like patrol dont do much in regards to helping new players that is legit patrol trainers job, Overall I think that the disconnect between newplayers and exeprianced ones is very big overall I want to close that gap atleast a little bit