Trump or Clinton?

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Smart of him yes, but do remind me who the burden then falls on to pay for public services, the military, schools, roads etc etc falls on.
Schools and roads and public services were all still paid for. Get your facts straight. He only did not pay FEDERAL income tax, he still paid state an local which pays for schools, roads, public services, etc. Even it pays for the state military (National Guard). He did not pay a federal income tax. But don't say he doesn't pay his part. His corporation still pays more in taxes to the federal government then he would. I am not saying it is morally right or wrong, I am saying he still pays for a LOT either way.

They only like him because he is also in favor of strong-arming political opponents into submission and how he is going to use the office for his own benefit and the benefit of the elite.
Donald Trump obviously is the least likely of using the office to his own benefit. He spent a large amount of his own money starting the campaign and he is already set for life. He is the people's candidate, the blue collar billionaire. He is KNOWN for fighting for and working for the middle class working american. Hillary is the only one commonly accused for wanting to use a political office for private gain. I think Putin favors Trump because he is less likely to go to war with Putin or make tense advancements militarily.

Throwing around the word socialist when you really have no idea of the policies that are being done in Europe, nice. Did you know that healthcare, schools, roads and even the military are also socialist programs? of course you didn't.
Didn't your mother ever teach you that calling people dumb is not a very good way to make a convincing argument. I obviously was referring to more socialistic aspects of government like is reflected in Europe with a more command focus on the private sector. The term socialist refers to the government controlling major industries. The military is a government entity by design and thus not socialized. Might I add that a large portion of US military operation is being contracted to private organizations anyway. Roads also concern public areas and have always been a government duty, it is not socialized. Socialism is when a private market is ran by the government. Like College, or healthcare. Might I add that healthcare is not socialistic in the US. They are both private and I would like to keep it that way. Schools are run by the local government by the way and not the federal government. The standards are set by the states but run even closer to home. Though schools at lower levels I am much more okay with it because for one I have private options as well and two they are much more accountable closer to home. I actually privately know the superintendent of my school board from when I attended high school as well as so do many others.

You are hardly free if the government can violate your rights at their own whim. If you don't think they won't do it to you as well, you're wrong.
Of course they can. That I why I believe the federal government should be limited and power and that is why I trust more in the states. The states are more accountable to us. I even know my local state senator and representative and me and my family meet with them often or exchange emails. The more we turn to a system of government that is more socialized then the greater risk that the government would be able to take those freedoms away. We also elect people who we expect would protect our rights and that is one of the main reasons I support Donald Trump. Because I know he will protect the freedoms I hold dear much more than Clinton.
 
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This freedom that you're talking about, I sense it's not the freedom we have here in Sweden and the other scandinavian countries to be honest, tell me Garret, are you allowed to walk into any forest in your country and pitch a tent at any location? No.

Would someone start screaming @ you if you came along crossing their land? Probably.

Do you believe in that the people in your country should pay for their healthcare instead of it being free? Yes, atleast that's what you said to me on teamspeak, so tell me Garret, if you got very ill and you were in need of treatment and your family could not afford this, do you believe that it should be this way or do you believe that your treatment should be free in some sense? Hm...

Anyways; The freedom that you behold to me doesn't seem as the freedom we have, I wouldn't even call it freedom to be honest.



Back to topic; If I had to choose between Hillary and Trump I would love to vote for Hillary, the reason behind this is because I do not want someone who lies about what they've tweeted, denies global warming which is a serious issue lol
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I would not want someone who insults people on their twitter to run the country;
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I'm not saying that Hillary is a good person, she's an idiot aswell but I'd rather have someone like Hillary other than someone who wants to grab people by the pussy lol.
 
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I could sit here and argue for hours saying how if I have any of your a million dollars I'd like to see you turn it into a company with billions in assets still going strong.
Being a business man does not make you good president material. Running a country is extremely different than running a company, and you can see that Trump doesn't even understand the massive difference (e.g. him saying how the US should just not pay back debt or how he's gonna negotiate down the debt)

Maybe I'll go with the fact that one of the candidates consistently lied to the American public about public policy and issues and even lied to our Congrèss.
Both of them are liars, but unlike Trump supporters most Hillary "supporters" know about it. At least she's lying because she's smart and not because she's an idiot.

represented a rapist and got him off charges (completely okay that is her civil duty) but then laughed about it on tape calling he young girl who had been raped (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/).
Even your article refutes your claim:
But Clinton did laugh in the retelling of some unusual aspects of the rape case, and we leave it to others to decide whether her laughter was appropriate or not.
You can read through the actual things she said. She was laughing at the situations because they were absurd, not because she found the case funny. But of course Trump supporters would never bother to actually look into claims without just reposting them mindlessly.

Or maybe how the same candidate has been actively involved in politics for years, often crossing party lines.
Interestingly enough he was even a Clinton supporter, not just Hillary but also Bill. But obviously you don't give a shit about that.

And don't even mention him getting out of taxes, the candidate was smart. they didn't write the tax codes they just used them to the best of their ability.
You're delusional. The only reason Trump had to use those loopholes is because he's shit at his job and lost loads of money. Without those loopholes he'd surely not be around anymore.

And don't say they will cause WWIII with Russia. Because Russia actually likes this candidate and they can get along, the other will be way more aggressive I can promise you.
Russia likes Trump because Trump is an idiot and can be influenced easily. Just look at how easy it is to rustle his jimmies so much that he sues someone for making a joke. This is also another thing that trump supporters are extremely hypocritical on. Trump is gonna pose the biggest threat to freedom of speech in your country than any other of the three candidates, yet Trump supporters always claim how much of free speech advocates they are (as long as the people they are talking to support trump of course).

Both candidates are idiots. Both have said stupid things.
Hillary Clinton is definitely not an idiot. She's completely rational and clearly very smart. She's just corrupt just like pretty much any other candidate in your country (which is still better than insane)

I will fall into the same socialistic pit I see half of Europe being swallowed into.
Yeah I know right, socialism has literally made everyone here in Germany poor and unemployed, which is why have full employment in some parts of the country, right?
And caring for the well-being of your fellow citizens, how fucking could we do that.

Schools and roads and public services were all still paid for.
But guess what, under Trump you're gonna have to pay even more tolls than you already do because he's gonna try and privatize as many roads as possible. Guess what, here in socialist Germany there are now toll roads, all of them are being paid for by the government because they benefit everyone, but of course that's just us crazy socialists speaking.

He is the people's candidate, the blue collar billionaire. He is KNOWN for fighting for and working for the middle class working american.
Can you please not pull shit out of your ass, it smells.

Might I add that healthcare is not socialistic in the US. They are both private and I would like to keep it that way.
Now in a fully capitalistic country wouldn't you expect the drug companies, hospitals and doctors compete with each other and deliver the best price? Why is it then that in the US you have one of the highest per capita cost for health expenditures?

But of course you won't care about the facts, because they make you feel bad. That's why you support trump, simply because he is telling you some lies that make you feel good about yourself. Thankfully more likely than not Trump will lose the election and we will probably never hear from him again (heck he might even go bankrupt again).
 
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They're both retards but either will win anyway. I don't think trump nor Hillary will do 4 years since there was already an assasination attempt on them.
 
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Lol u Americans dont understand our words. Fuckin cringe all of ya. "What the fuck is he saying?" "What does shag mean?"

But to be fair tho I would vote Trump. Ive already said about Clinton so why would I vote for her?
 
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You'd have to be either incredibly ignorant or insane if you want to vote for Trump.
Just because you dislike the (admittedly completely shit) system doesn't mean that you should vote someone in who's:
  • completely unpredictable
  • irresponsible
  • anti-science
  • extremely easy to manipulate
  • conspiracy nut
  • braindead
  • liar (probably much worse so than clinton).
  • not a rational actor (something that prevented WW3 in the cold war)
Now couple that with his VP choice, a fundamentally christian person who doesn't even believe in evolution and thus can't even be taken seriously.
Since the third party candidates are completely unacceptable that only leaves one choice.
Listen, I don't like either candidate, but I still think you're wrong. Clinton wants to raise the taxes on the 1% like they are not taxed enough. They are already paying 40% income tax, so how is that fair? Also, Clinton received some questions to the debate from someone she knew. It shows how corrupt she is. Clinton will do anything to be president, even if it means conducting illegal activity. I know the argument about her email is overused, but it is still very valid and should be considered when voting. Now, I don't think Trump is very good, but I would see why people would vote for him instead of Hillary.
 

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Well, the debate here has been very interesting but after a very difficult night keeping tabs on the US Election, it just so appears that Trump could be the next president of the United States. (According to Sky and BBC News)

Doomed or victory? It is hard to tell.
[DOUBLEPOST=1478676982,1478676646][/DOUBLEPOST]Update: it appears Trump is the next US president, confirmed by his number of votes (276/270)

@Garret_Pp congratulations
 
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