Victor Belinskey - 3.4 & 5.1

[Deleted member 1235]

Your Steam/In-game Name: The Duffy/ Sam Duffy
His/Her Steam/In-game Name: Evil/ Victor Belinskey
His/Her SteamID: STEAM_0:1:19490979
Why Should This Player Be Punished: Violation of 3.4, I had accidentally ran over hung chow as he was in the middle of the road when I reversed he did not stop running. My car was then fired upon by a sniper rifle and disabled. I then proceeded to run away (Was not directly at gunpoint and was not going to wait for them to run up and shoot me). Some time had passed and I had realised that my friends in the car had not returned (@Chris was afk in the car at the time I think). After walking around business for a few minutes I went behind the petrol station to see what was happening, during which Vicktor belinskey ran up the stairs and gun-pointed me with an Ak47 as I was about to make a 911 call (I lied IC and said I was calling Chris. also the devil son said this counted as a public setting which is why I added 5.1). He then said "You know what this is about" and took me to project one where I dropped my stuff (just a bat) then was marched into projex 3 along with a few others (Chris and Soul Evans) and was executed almost immediately. This is very unrealistic, if my car had not been shot at then I would have got out and called an ambulance. I could have been a passer by, but also I and a few others (Chris and Soul Evans) was killed for something Hung Chow had done himself. Vicktor also had no idea I was the driver as i could easily have just been a passer by.

I would also like to know why @Standish (If it was you of course) had fired upon my car in the first place. As I 1. Posed no threat what so ever to anybody and 2. Was stationary and waiting in my car, as far as you know I could've been calling an ambulance.

Tl'dr: Was shot at then killed for accidentally running someone over who was in the middle of the road. (When Soul said back him over, I heard 'back up'. It was not my intention to hit him as i know that would've been CDM)
Evidence (Demo Required): http://demo.ovh.eu/en/831d6034e4bc55b8908937512a1184a0/
Tick: 31180 Where the initial incident starts as we leave docks.
31500 My car is sniped (Whoever the sniper was did this right infront of the Deliveryman NPC)
32000 After running away I attempt to flag down some passers by and a cop but it fails
35846 I alert a officer of what happened and that I have not seen my friends since the sniper shot
37360 I am taken gunpoint by Viktor Belinskey and from there I am led to Projex one, then Projex 3 then killed.
(Didn't get revived or anything, after my death is the admin sit)

 

[Casey Heller]

+1 ill give you my version soon.

 

[Standish]

Do not see how 5.1 applies, it was already made public, nobody was mugged anyway, the NPC's were also taken into account later.
I saw you reverse into Richard Holland after following him in your blue car for some time, considering Chow and co believed you to be the PL army, you following him is beyond suspicious, you then ran the Chow decoy over. From my perspective, Chow and his friends believed you to be the army goons attempting to mug him, Viktor had every right to make sure you were not calling 911, he wanted to deal with you without risking his life, hence him dragging you to the apartment; like I said, NPC's were taken into account. This is just what I witnessed and why it happened, you more than likely died due to him knowing of your actions.

If anything Viktor attempted to preserve his life.

 

[EVIL]

Viktor*

• I had binoculars, whilst viewing from Projex appartment 3. I saw you in the car, along with the other greenies. Standish opened fire after you openly ran over one of our men. Bolli, 3bitz, and I were outside, we took your men hostage. I got a call from 3bitz informing me cops were behind the petrol station. I responded by saying "I'll take care of them". Upon reaching to top of the stairs, I see you, on your phone. I already knew you were with them. I gun pointed you and brought you down - After all, you did see everything we did.
• Also, let me make it clear, we were openly at war with you at the time. Your men had been following ours for quite some time.
• As you made clear yourself, I did not shoot you. Only gun pointed you, gun pointing a witness to a large crime doesn't seem like I'm putting my life at risk does it. (Especially one who is 'calling the cops'). If anything, these actions are ensuring my safety. You made clear you were prepared to call the police, I had to act upon this.

I haven't broken any rules here. Attempting to get the enemy banned is never a strat I have appreciated. At least, try harder next time.

 

[Zayne]

Why was I killed in the incident?
I wasn't even involved with the initial killing and I was in neither organization...

 

[EVIL]

I have a question: Why, after having your car shot, and seeing your men put under gunpoint by four heavily armed men. Did you believe it was in your best interest to stay in the area, where you could easily be seen. Whilst using a phone, armed only with a baseball bat. To me this seems extremely unrealistic, and a large endangerment to your life (Which is quite evident, considering your died). If I was put in that situation. I would get as far away from the scene as possible. Not sit right next to it... Where we could see you. Therefore, this is in fact itself a breakage of one of the rules you're falsely accusing me of breaking; rule 3.4.

Congratulations Duffy, you've also successfully proved yourself a hypocrite as well as a rule breaker.
[DOUBLEPOST=1425688520,1425687908][/DOUBLEPOST]Could not reply above, ran out of space.

Yes, direct breakage of 3.4. You alerted the police you say. Knowing the police would respond, and this would without question initiate a firefight. You decided to come back to the scene... Clearly endangering your life, even if you were there for a 'minute or less'. Also, on your person, you had a mobile phone. Which could have been used, to call your friends, and see if they were alright - Which would in turn also allow you to remain in a safe position.

This is evident as: you stated you were there less than a minute, in which minute, you were spotted by 3bitz, and placed under gunpoint by me. Therefore your positioning was terrible, breaking 3.4, and causing your life to end in the projex.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

I have a question: Why, after having your car shot, and seeing your men put under gunpoint by four heavily armed men. Did you believe it was in your best interest to stay in the area, where you could easily be seen. Whilst using a phone, armed only with a baseball bat. To me this seems extremely unrealistic, and a large endangerment to your life (Which is quite evident, considering your died). If I was put in that situation. I would get as far away from the scene as possible. Not sit right next to it... Where we could see you. Therefore, this is in fact itself a breakage of one of the rules you're falsely accusing me of breaking; rule 3.4.

Congratulations Duffy, you've also successfully proved yourself a hypocrite as well as a rule breaker.
[DOUBLEPOST=1425688520,1425687908][/DOUBLEPOST]Could not reply above, ran out of space.

Yes, direct breakage of 3.4. You alerted the police you say. Knowing the police would respond, and this would without question initiate a firefight. You decided to come back to the scene... Clearly endangering your life, even if you were there for a 'minute or less'. Also, on your person, you had a mobile phone. Which could have been used, to call your friends, and see if they were alright - Which would in turn also allow you to remain in a safe position.

This is evident as: you stated you were there less than a minute, in which minute, you were spotted by 3bitz, and placed under gunpoint by me. Therefore your positioning was terrible, breaking 3.4, and causing your life to end in the projex.

*Too big for Comment*
You had to go a great distance to reach me and run up the stairs. If I was more observant then I would've seen to coming a long way away and could have easily escaped . You are making out as if I ran back right into the centre of the scene. If you think I broke 3.4 then go ahead and make a ban request. This post is a ban request on you not me, stop trying to turn the tables around.

 

[M]

Congratulations Duffy, you've also successfully proved yourself a hypocrite as well as a rule breaker.

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In seriousness, I was here and I wasn't aware of the actual background to why the situation came about; I will look into the demo tomorrow and update this post.

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@Zan116

It was due to the fact that @ChewKokLong420 is retarded: shot Duffy without taking his lifealert, and then @Bolli just giving up on life due to the excess chromosomes present and ending all of us (most likely destroying any form of witness account so that they get away)

 

[EVIL]

'Long distance away' is a bit of an understatement Duffy. You were up a flight of stairs. I ran up it in 2 seconds, and reach you in another 2. 4 seconds isn't that long, is it?. If you knew you were bad at observation, why did you stand so close to the crime scene. Also, you haven't answered my question about why you returned when you had access to communicate with your allies via your mobile phone. I also believe to say that you 'could have escaped' is a very large overstatement. considering you didn't, not even close. Perhaps you should stop avoiding the question, its making you look even worse. I don't have to even try to turn the tables Duffy. I've done nothing wrong, you've simply dropped yourself in it here. I have to thank you though, saves me the time of opening my own ban request.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

'Long distance away' is a bit of an understatement Duffy. You were up a flight of stairs. I ran up it in 2 seconds, and reach you in another 2. 4 seconds isn't that long, is it?. If you knew you were bad at observation, why did you stand so close to the crime scene. Also, you haven't answered my question about why you returned when you had access to communicate with your allies via your mobile phone. I also believe to say that you 'could have escaped' is a very large overstatement. considering you didn't, not even close. Perhaps you should stop avoiding the question, its making you look even worse. I don't have to even try to turn the tables Duffy. I've done nothing wrong, you've simply dropped yourself in it here. I have to thank you though, saves me the time of opening my own ban request.

How many times must I repeat myself? Chris had not answered his phone so I had went to what I thought a suitable position to peer over the wall and see whether he was still in the car (As he was AFK at the start) or if he had been taken inside projex. If I had been facing less than a meter to my left I would have seen you running past the car park and towards the stairs. During this time I could easily have made it into the shop and with the garage NPC. I did not have communication to soul as I didn't have his number. Face it, you simply killed us because we ran over hung chow who was in the middle of the road. If I had not tried to escape then why is it evident in the demo me trying to flag down cars at the highway bridge asking for a lift to the city. My car was disabled which would also have impaired my escape. You can ask Michael Boyle (Don't know his forum name) I was trying to get away from the area/get help. You're acting is if I stood there the whole time watching which I did not.

 

[EVIL]

Here we go again:

• Your men, who you knew where held at gunpoint by 4 heavily armed men, did not answer therefore. Clear, something was wrong. So, instead of just leaving, you return - Risking your life.
• You can't keep saying you were only 'peeking over the wall' or 'if you stood here you would not have been seen' because, you were seen. If I had done a 360 and pulled the trigger, I may have one-banged you. But I didn't, so I can't use that against you can I. Your action lead to your death. You were free, out of the situation, safe. You had to get yourself back in it by travelling back to the scene.Your fate was in your hands.
• McUwe's would have been a safe bet, we would never have found you there. Or any other the industrial shops. If you had been on the other side of the petrol station, we would never have seen you - Which proves just how close, and visible you were (And the fact that we did actually see you).
• At this point, you saw us, our guns, our cars, where we lived, and our actions. If you had reported this information to the police, that's a lot of years in jail if I was to be caught. Therefore to say you would have 'run into the petrol station where there is an NPC' I could have simply followed you in, and shot both of you. I wouldn't get any longer in jail, and it was directly right next to the scene of the events - meaning I could get back extremely quickly.
• I also believe you're missing a very large part of this story. I did not kill anyone during this event. I didn't even fire a gun. I only gun-pointed people. I was too concerned with the approaching cops to worry about you, all I heard was a series of gunshots from the apartment below. That's when I knew you were dead.
• Due to this, I never actually broke 3.4, because my life was never greatly at risk. I managed to get all the witnesses contained, I had backup literally 2 seconds away. I had many a get away route (Just as you did... But you returned). I was safe during the whole event. Which is evident as I never got shot at, or took a bullet.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Here we go again:

• Your men, who you knew where held at gunpoint by 4 heavily armed men, did not answer therefore. Clear, something was wrong. So, instead of just leaving, you return - Risking your life.
• You can't keep saying you were only 'peeking over the wall' or 'if you stood here you would not have been seen' because, you were seen. If I had done a 360 and pulled the trigger, I may have one-banged you. But I didn't, so I can't use that against you can I. Your action lead to your death. You were free, out of the situation, safe. You had to get yourself back in it by travelling back to the scene.Your fate was in your hands.
• McUwe's would have been a safe bet, we would never have found you there. Or any other the industrial shops. If you had been on the other side of the petrol station, we would never have seen you - Which proves just how close, and visible you were (And the fact that we did actually see you).
• At this point, you saw us, our guns, our cars, where we lived, and our actions. If you had reported this information to the police, that's a lot of years in jail if I was to be caught. Therefore to say you would have 'run into the petrol station where there is an NPC' I could have simply followed you in, and shot both of you. I wouldn't get any longer in jail, and it was directly right next to the scene of the events - meaning I could get back extremely quickly.
• I also believe you're missing a very large part of this story. I did not kill anyone during this event. I didn't even fire a gun. I only gun-pointed people. I was too concerned with the approaching cops to worry about you, all I heard was a series of gunshots from the apartment below. That's when I knew you were dead.
• Due to this, I never actually broke 3.4, because my life was never greatly at risk. I managed to get all the witnesses contained, I had backup literally 2 seconds away. I had many a get away route (Just as you did... But you returned). I was safe during the whole event. Which is evident as I never got shot at, or took a bullet.

As previously stated I returned to observe Chris to see whether or not he was still AFK as during the initial running over he was AFK. There were police by the glass co talking to a driver of a red car so if I had ran into the garage and was shot they would easily have saw the life alert and seen you running away. Yet Again I must tell you that not only did you lack a sufficient reason for firing upon our car in the first place. You had 1. No evidence that I was the driver, as I ran off you only saw my back and 2. No evidence that I was apart of the paralake army. You had killed me just because i was friends with Chris that is blatantly obvious. You reason for killing/gunpointing me is therefore invalid and the only reason you would have done it is "because I was trying to call Chris" which I had told you. Not once did I say "I'm on the phone to the police" or even mention the police. You acted entirely of incorrect presumptions.

 

[ChewKokLong420]

-- Removed my post --

Same video posted somewhere below in the thread and in comments.

 

[Zayne]

This is too long to put in a comment.

Victor, on you on some kind of crack?
I DIDN'T hit Richard with my car, the blue scion in front of me reversed into him by accident when Richard was running behind them like a fool. I stopped my car as soon as I seen it happen, I didn't run because I knew I did nothing wrong. I am not in the Army nor have relations with them, I am working alone right now. Get your facts right before you call me names.

Edit: As you can see in the video above, I didn't hit Richard, the blue Scion reversed into me.

 

[Standish]

As you can see by the video and the intelligence received by the people inside, you can see why they reacted negatively.

> We acknowledge that enemies have arrived and have in fact been tailing Chow
> Said enemies run our buddy over
> Attempts to manoeuvre away and their car gets disabled, profit?

 

[EVIL]

Oh my lord, read the posts. It may help you understand the situation, which you currently seem to be having some difficulty grasping:

• For the love of god Duffy, no matter how long you intended to go back to the scene, you were endangering your life. This would be clear to anyone over the age of 4. I'm still not sure I've made this direct enough. So, I'll try and help you out: YOU WERE RISKING YOUR LIFE BY COMING BACK, ARMED WITH ONLY A BAT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU WOULD RETURN AND RISK YOUR LIFE TO SEE IF SOMEONE IS AFK. YOU STOOD IN A BALLYS POSITION AND DIED BECAUSE OF IT. DON'T RETURN TO THE SCENE YOU JUST ESCAPED FROM (in all fairness basic logic should have suggested that).
• 'There were police by the glass co talking to a driver of a red car'. So, the question is, why didn't you just go over to them, talk to them, and ask for protection. This would have made for a perfect escape for you, and you would have dropped us in it too. YOU HAD BAZAAR ESCAPE ROUTE / MONORAIL ESCAPE ROUTE / INDUSTRIAL JENNIFER'S ESCAPE ROUTE / SCRAPPY JOES ESCAPE ROUTE / AND ARMED OFFICERS TO HELP YOU. WHY OH WHY, WOULD YOU EVEN CONTEMPLATE RETURNING TO SEE IF A FRIEND WAS 'AFK'. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO EASY TO RUN.
• I don't understand why you're assuming I fired on your car, which i didn't. If you had actually read my posts, you would have seen I stated 'I did not fire a single shot during the event', last time I checked I couldn't take cars down with my mind.
• Again, if you would have read my previous posts, instead of simply ranting on and on, about the same points, you would have seen where I stated I was using binoculars in Projex 4. I saw the whole things. Two vehicles of the same group. You both followed our men, you were both responsible.
• Again, failing to read my posts. As I stated, it did not matter who you were to me. You informed me you were communicating with the enemy, who was at the scene. I had seen you in the car with the binoculars. We didn't kill you because of who you were, we killed you because of what you did
• Duffy, this is becoming very repetitive. I'd appreciate it if you read my posts, and took in what I was saying. It would help you to understand that I didn't shoot you. I 'didn't fire a single shot during the event' (I'm sure we've heard that before). As I have stated above 'We didn't kill you because of who you were, we killed you because of what you did'. Take note of 'we' not 'I'.
• My reason for gun pointing you is therefore invalid? I'm not sure where that was pulled from. Despite every single previous point you've made being invalid, therefore rending this point, also invalid. I will attempt to understand what you're on about. My reasons for gun pointing you have been numerously, and repetitively stated over and over again, by multiple people. If you're still confused, please see the other posts (Read them)
• I didn't act incorrectly though, did I. Considering you were a part of the group, and an enemy. Not much more to be said about that.

Duffy, you keep asking the same questions over and over, and in return, you get the same answers. This only shows how weak your story and points behind your ban request really are. You're not helping yourself, quite frankly I'd suggest reading this carefully, and then gauging your next set of questions off these answers.

Also, you have mentioned how I am 'turning the tables on you'. I am, however, not in an effort to get you banned. I am referring to your actions (And breakage of 3.4) because these are the choices that lead you to your death. If you hadn't had broken rule 3.4 and returned when an escape would have been so easy, then you would never have found yourself in the position you did. Therefore you would never have died. Therefore this entire ban request is subsequently invalid - your poor choices and rule breaking lead to your death, and the situation you then found yourself in. Abiding by the rules, using realistic actions, and trying your up most best to survive, you would have left the area, and not returned.

Now, I'm not certain you will actually understand that. So, for your benefit only. I'll make it as blunt as possible:

Your actions, and rule breaking, lead you to your death. If you had followed the rules, none of this would have ever had happened (And you would have survived). Clearly, this means that even If was to have broken 3.4, or any other rule(s), this would have been a direct result of your breakage of the rules.

 

[Standish]

What you don't understand is that if you're with the enemy, that means you're friends, so you will help them regardless. NPC's were tied, so that really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter wether or not you posed a threat, you just ran our friend over (which is clearly seen in the video, clearly wasn't an accident as you steered into him at speed) your driver then gets back into his vehicle so his car was disabled, it's simple.

 

[EVIL]

Upon closer inspection of the video. It is apparent neither of the vehicles that 'accidentally' struck Richard attempted to break when swerving into his direction. Why you wouldn't break whilst swerving into his path at speed, if you only wished to 'talk' is beyond me. You've clearly lied here. That was a direct and intentional hit. Or should I say CDM.

Also, suppose, you all forgot where the spacebar was. Or you lagged, or you simply could not stop in time or avoid him. Then your remorse for the 'accident' of running over a man was clearly demonstrated when your friends hopped out the driving seat, picked up Rick's bat... And proceeded to get back into your car. Personally, my first move after accidentally running a man over and knocking him unconscious, would not be to immediately steal his weapon, and get back in my car in an attempt to drive away... Congratulations, you've all lied again.

You've lied twice here, on an ban request, not just to me - But to respected server moderators, such as Standish and Chris. Your actions can clearly be witnessed in the video.

As you can see in the video, at 0:35 seconds, when the car hits Dan, there is no attempt to break, or stop your vehicle from hitting him. If anything, you swerve into his path, aiming for him.

At 0:39 seconds, the driver exits the vehicle. Which would make sense, it was an 'accident'.

At 0:41 seconds, the driver picks up Dan's dropped bat. Which is a bit strange, considering you 'accidentally' ran him over.

After this, you attempted to drive off, we opened fire on your cars. You all died. In conclusion, you all failed at murdering (Or would CDMing be more fitting) our friend. After doing so, and clearly robbing his bleeding, broken, unconscious body you attempted to make a get away. Not only did you murder our friend, you tried to get away after seeing all our faces, cars, guns, and where we lived. You attacked us, we had to ensure, for our own safety, you could not give this information to rival gangs, or the police.

You brought this upon yourselves, without attacking us, you would never have died. If you hadn't have returned to the scene Duffy, you would not have died. Simple.

This shall be my last post of the night. Though, I don't think much more is needed to be said. From the mouths of many it is clear this ban request is full of holes, and is completely inaccurate and invalid. It was a nice try, well played.

 

[Deleted member 5920]

Why is the ban request on @EVIL when he didn't even kill you? GG no RE.

Also, you either ran him over on purpose or broke 2.5 because you stopped, picked up his weapon and drove off, leaving him to die without calling a medic. (Probably result in a warning)

Or you ran him over on purpose which would make this ban request invalid. (Embarrassment at most.)

You choose

 

[John Daymon]

Ban request will be dealt with today. This is a class-1 priority due to the intensity in the comments.
[DOUBLEPOST=1425834960,1425818661][/DOUBLEPOST] Denied
This ban request has been denied as the two organisations are at war and the "poor dan" video shows Duffy randomly just reversing into a chow chasing the vehicle. And from what I've seen in the demo Chris was eating something when he got out of the vehicle. Anyways I will be denying this as it's basically just a fucked up situation with for example the part when Duffy decided to run back to the area and look at the situation which is risking your life.

TL;DR Ban request denied as the organisations are at war and I think that peter the prophet thought that the whole thing was an act of terror upon them.