The PLPD - And The Problem with New Cops

[Max Bradford]

Hey everyone, just wanted to talk about PLPD and the current State and situation that it’s in. I think on this reserved you will always have. Cops who don’t know what they’re doing and need to be trained by a higher member of staff in the PLPD and show them the ropes. But it’s becoming ever increasingly more common for pistol cops to automatically shoot or engage first in hostage situations. Leading to multiple rules being broken.

More needs to be done and more communication needs to happen from the police officers we have hostage in my opinion.

If someone was holding a fully loaded gun to your head or wearing a vest (impact made) the cop being given those verbal commands should listen and not make it difficult. For everyone involved. This is not just due to my current ban for current AR that I made recently but. I have done maybe 5-6 PD raids during V6 at this moment in time. With maybe one or two being successful. With the others it’s the same situation every single time. A random cop swings around the corner. And open fires first in every occasion. It almost feels like a primal instinct from a pistol cop.

Some of these pistol cops aren’t always new players. Some have been staff in the past too that have created incidents. But I haven’t always felt comfortable making IA’s or staff complaints. On people i enjoy playing perp with.

I think more must be done at the police level to help police officers not engage with combat unless they know no government officer or Medic can be harmed in the process.

It is simply unreasonable to engage and to open fire on the first six gun men pointing at an officer or a medic in any situation. Because it is simply unrealistic

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Hostage sit failing copium kid. You're not making a valid discussion rather being upset over a minor thing when you could just make a IA and win it lol lock in

 

[Lushi]

temu version of @exrobite 's thread

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

temu version of @exrobite 's thread

No not at all lol this is just complaining about something cause it happened to you once also if your this enraged just make a ia

 

[Max Bradford]

Hostage sit failing copium kid. You're not making a valid discussion rather being upset over a minor thing when you could just make a IA and win it lol lock in

It’s not a minor thing and I’m not upset about it lmao it’s a general discussion. I just think maybe more should be done from the officer that’s being taken hostage at that time. Like do we need to bring training back? For instance if the situation gets worse and worse

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

It’s not a minor thing and I’m not upset about it lmao it’s a general discussion. I just think maybe more should be done from the officer that’s being taken hostage at that time. Like do we need to bring training back? For instance if the situation gets worse and worse

It is a minor thing considering this like never happens in 60-90% of hostage sits and ultimately the opposite happens. I feel you're trying to make a drastic change simply cause it happened to you even though you could yk get them punished

 

[Max Bradford]

No not at all lol this is just complaining about something cause it happened to you once also if your this enraged just make a ia

Are u trying to instigate this for no reason tarone? No one has complained? Or had any issue with being enraged at all. I’m merely making a point about pistols cops

 

[Max Bradford]

It is a minor thing considering this like never happens in 60-90% of hostage sits and ultimately the opposite happens. I feel you're trying to make a drastic change simply cause it happened to you even though you could yk get them punished

The user’s punishment and mine have already taken place. From the staff team. And I accept that both players including myself broke rules.

A drastic change maybe what we need to keep realistic gameplay tbh

 

[Ethem]

It is a minor thing considering this like never happens in 60-90% of hostage sits and ultimately the opposite happens. I feel you're trying to make a drastic change simply cause it happened to you even though you could yk get them punished

Ngl it happens all the time.

 

[Max Bradford]

Ngl it happens all the time.

Thank you Ethem

 

[Goose.]

More needs to be done and more communication needs to happen from the police officers we have hostage in my opinion.

No offence, but in this thread you say that people should patrol with lower ranking officers and communicate with them more to avoid this happening. As a Sergeant it is policy that you MUST patrol with lower ranking officers whenever possible (Again no offence) but I really haven’t seen you doing this much. Furthermore, you are able to communicate to your fellow officers using government radio to NOT shoot the hostage takers. Generally if they are told specifically to not do one thing or even tell them to setup a perimeter in a certain location, they’ll be too busy to start shooting the armed gunmen.

Some of these pistol cops aren’t always new players. Some have been staff in the past too that have created incidents. But I haven’t always felt comfortable making IA’s or staff complaints. On people i enjoy playing perp with.

This point particularly annoys me. How will people get better if they aren’t punished for their actions? Within PLPD policy and server rules YOU are breaking both by failing to report this.

Everything else you said about how it isn’t realistic is true, but I will say one thing; Common sense isn’t all that common. New officers and players are dumb. If you aren’t willing to report them at the very least you need to give them a stern talking to about how they very well may be given harsh disciplinary punishments if they keep up this behaviour.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Ngl it happens all the time.

No G this is just a copium post lol

 

[Max Bradford]

No offence, but in this thread you say that people should patrol with lower ranking officers and communicate with them more to avoid this happening. As a Sergeant it is policy that you MUST patrol with lower ranking officers whenever possible (Again no offence) but I really haven’t seen you doing this much. Furthermore, you are able to communicate to your fellow officers using government radio to NOT shoot the hostage takers. Generally if they are told specifically to not do one thing or even tell them to setup a perimeter in a certain location, they’ll be too busy to start shouting the armed gunmen.


This point particularly annoys me. How will people get better if they aren’t punished for their actions? Within PLPD policy and server rules YOU are breaking both by failing to report this.

Everything else you said about how it isn’t realistic is true, but I will say one thing; Common sense isn’t all that common. New officers and players are dumb. If you aren’t willing to report them at the very least you need to give them a stern talking to about how they very well may be given harsh disciplinary punishments if they keep up this behaviour.

Agreed. I agree with a large amounts of what you have just said especially when u said common sense isn’t all the common ngl that did make me laugh. I agree with the whole SGT thing too I think if we want it to get better a SGT should be patrolling with new players constantly and writing those OR’s (I do try to do this when I can) but I’m not really a cop main most of my time. Is built more off criminal life (as I have only recently passed being a SGT) the whole point of being punished for your actions is so you can learn from what you did wrong allowing the player to go unpunished and having them more protected than others is just wrong.

I completely agree with the thing if they do communicate. They should be setting up precautions around the area but they should give the hostage negotiator space as along with any orders again they receive. Maybe goes in link or tandem with common sense.

Which many don’t have.

 

[Max Bradford]

No offence, but in this thread you say that people should patrol with lower ranking officers and communicate with them more to avoid this happening. As a Sergeant it is policy that you MUST patrol with lower ranking officers whenever possible (Again no offence) but I really haven’t seen you doing this much. Furthermore, you are able to communicate to your fellow officers using government radio to NOT shoot the hostage takers. Generally if they are told specifically to not do one thing or even tell them to setup a perimeter in a certain location, they’ll be too busy to start shouting the armed gunmen.


This point particularly annoys me. How will people get better if they aren’t punished for their actions? Within PLPD policy and server rules YOU are breaking both by failing to report this.

Everything else you said about how it isn’t realistic is true, but I will say one thing; Common sense isn’t all that common. New officers and players are dumb. If you aren’t willing to report them at the very least you need to give them a stern talking to about how they very well may be given harsh disciplinary punishments if they keep up this behaviour.

Agreed. I agree with a large amounts of what you have just said especially when u said common sense isn’t all the common ngl that did make me laugh. I agree with the whole SGT thing too I think if we want it to get better a SGT should be patrolling with new players constantly and writing those OR’s (I do try to do this when I can) but I’m not really a cop main most of my time. Is built more off criminal life (as I have only recently passed being a SGT) the whole point of being punished for your actions is so you can learn from what you did wrong allowing the player to go unpunished and having them more protected than others is just wrong.

I completely agree with the thing if they do communicate. They should be setting up precautions around the area but they should give the hostage negotiator space as along with any orders again they receive. Maybe goes in link or tandem with common sense.

Which many don’t have.

 

[Goose.]

Agreed. I agree with a large amounts of what you have just said especially when u said common sense isn’t all the common ngl that did make me laugh. I agree with the whole SGT thing too I think if we want it to get better a SGT should be patrolling with new players constantly and writing those OR’s (I do try to do this when I can) but I’m not really a cop main most of my time. Is built more off criminal life (as I have only recently passed being a SGT) the whole point of being punished for your actions is so you can learn from what you did wrong allowing the player to go unpunished and having them more protected than others is just wrong.

I completely agree with the thing if they do communicate. They should be setting up precautions around the area but they should give the hostage negotiator space as along with any orders again they receive. Maybe goes in link or tandem with common sense.

Which many don’t have.

Am I getting Deja Vu?

 

[Illusion™]

No offence, but in this thread you say that people should patrol with lower ranking officers and communicate with them more to avoid this happening. As a Sergeant it is policy that you MUST patrol with lower ranking officers whenever possible (Again no offence) but I really haven’t seen you doing this much. Furthermore, you are able to communicate to your fellow officers using government radio to NOT shoot the hostage takers. Generally if they are told specifically to not do one thing or even tell them to setup a perimeter in a certain location, they’ll be too busy to start shooting the armed gunmen.


This point particularly annoys me. How will people get better if they aren’t punished for their actions? Within PLPD policy and server rules YOU are breaking both by failing to report this.

Everything else you said about how it isn’t realistic is true, but I will say one thing; Common sense isn’t all that common. New officers and players are dumb. If you aren’t willing to report them at the very least you need to give them a stern talking to about how they very well may be given harsh disciplinary punishments if they keep up this behaviour.

I agree with you, but we can’t report everyone. This has happened to me as well on multiple occasions (I’m usually with Max) and it has been a different officer each time. If it happened once or twice, I’d chalk it up to being a few bad apples who clearly didn’t get the memo. But it happens constantly, meaning there is a breakdown in training somewhere within the PLPD. I realize that officers don’t receive formal training, but maybe even putting a new question in the officer exam addressing this situation may help prevent future situations going wrong.

Also, telling a civilian that they should give the officer a stern talking to after they shoot unjustly in a hostage situation is just weird. That’s not our job.

 

[Foe]

When I first played cop I had no clue what I was doing tbf and didn’t read the rules and I bet many people do the same thing they learn from there mistakes but maybe not a training to be in place because that’s not gonna be fun for the people training all these new players but maybe for the plpd handbook to be more easier to find and maybe something about the handbook in the test you do to become a patrol officer

 

[Max Bradford]

I think it clear that from this forum post people do have mix opinions from this post I’ve created and i appreciate everyone’s insight into thank you for commenting. I will continue to read and react if anyone else has anything to say and on how we can improve it.

 

[Goose.]

I agree with you, but we can’t report everyone. This has happened to me as well on multiple occasions (I’m usually with Max) and it has been a different officer each time. If it happened once or twice, I’d chalk it up to being a few bad apples who clearly didn’t get the memo. But it happens constantly, meaning there is a breakdown in training somewhere within the PLPD. I realize that officers don’t receive formal training, but maybe even putting a new question in the officer exam addressing this situation may help prevent future situations going wrong.

Also, telling a civilian that they should give the officer a stern talking to after they shoot unjustly in a hostage situation is just weird. That’s not our job.

I’m going to waffle on for a bit about how I handle hostage situations to generally avoid this.

During hostage situations the structure is meant to be as follows: first, highest ranking officer on scene is meant to take control and organise everyone. This generally includes a perimeter around the area and then only a handful (at most) of competent officers with him in direct earshot of the hostage takers. If a higher ranking officer arrives (or a TFO) , they are meant to take over. Unless on extremely low pop, pistol cops should rarely ever be in earshot of the hostage takers. They should be establishing a perimeter. It’s possible they don’t listen, but then that goes back to silly pistol cops. If they are near the hostage takers it is extremely important that you inform them of the repercussions if they decide to disobey your direct orders or shoot the hostage takers.

TLDR: Pistol cops should generally be organised in a manner that they aren’t near the hostage takers OR, if they are ensure to inform they if they shoot a hostage takers they will be in MASSIVE trouble.

I like the idea of “Prevention is better than cure”. I don’t want ANY officer to get in trouble, so I try avoid putting them in positions whereby they may get in trouble. I don’t go around handing IAs to every officer who commits a minor misconduct, but there are times where IAs are a necessary part of the PLPD and need to be filed.

 

[Anthony]

As someone who patrols with new cops a lot I always try to encourage them to go for non hostile situations as much as possible and also to try and RP it out with people. The issue is it is quite punishing to do so. This is simply the nature of perpheads. As a civilian, when you have the opportunity, killing cops is more like an unlocked stage in the pursuit of gameplay, once you reach that threshold killing cops becomes an immediate thing you do, mostly for your own safety so I don't really blame people for it.

But as a pistol cop, imagine trying to roleplay and then getting blackscreened, over and over. Repeatedly. You will begin to think that is the server behaviour itself. Combat over roleplay, always.

Right now, experienced cops also hate hostage situations - because they are just grenade fests. There is zero gameplay reward for roleplaying with cops, you have to deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage to do so!

How would this be solved? Well, personally, I think it is crazy that hostage situations actually work the way they do on this server. The moment the hostage is free, cops just immediately kill the hostage taker.. so what is the point in even .. trying to successfully do hostage negotiations.. just grenade the cops...

PLPD Policy needs to change so that if a hostage taker actually complies, and "free passage" is negotiated, it is actually respected, to a reasonable degree. In order to encourage people to actually want to succeed in hostage negotations, not just 911 the cops with an impact grenade. !!