Whitelisting Cops

[Liam]

I've heard that cops are going to be whitelisted, I have no idea if this is true or not but let's see what the community thinks of this?

Personally. I think it is one of the worst ideas yet to be implemented when I first connected to this server with Ash, the only think that stood out to us was the fact that from the minute you play the server you can do what the hell you like, you can literally do what you wanted especially being a police officer as when you're new it is the most rewarding.

Now I understand that for us players that have been here for a while you may think, oh yeah this is a great idea no more retarded cops. Correct in every sense, but I think that a large amount of future players will be instantly put off and will have no patients for it, as essentially to become a police officer they will have to have outstanding law and rule knowledge which they won't.

You can have a few months of outstanding roleplay with whitelisted cops, for an unstable future in perpheads.

Anyway what do you think about this?

@StephenPuffs @Fredy

 

[MrAaron]

I stopped playing Fearless because I couldn't play cop, I'm against the idea.
Also to add its really hard to kick mic spammers out of the channel because I have barely any permissions and they have more permissions than me.

This totally defeats the purpose of me being a moderator since I cant do anything to 35 people on the team-speak, to add I really don't like the Idea of becoming white-listed police because I really enjoy playing S.W.A.T or cop but this could also show the supervisors how well you're actually doing, if your new how can you prove to the police force? anyone can lie about they know laws and get it up on the screen?

 

[Death Howl]

It was brought up in a meeting but looks like they are still putting ideas together. With the academy server im sure with this the police can improve greatly. I will not reveal any details unless the board wants a few spoilers but we have our own hype right now.

I am looking forward to how the staff team can improve the police force and roleplay in general.

 

[galactacus_jones]

I think this is terrible personally. I sometimes like to go SWAT when I'm bored, but having a system like this would make me unable to do that since the whitelist would require you to maintain a regular activity which I honestly couldn't be bothered to do if I just wanted to play as SWAT for a bit of fun.
I also think that from a new player's perspective it restricts freedom massively since I imagine it's the first thing a lot of people do since it's a very appealing job to most since a lot of new players probably don't have an organisation to grow with. I also imagine it's a way a lot of new players learn the map without having to respond to constant medic callouts, which would again put a lot of new players off from playing. Overall I think it's dreadful.

 

[Swiper]

This is true! The whitelisting of the Police Department is being worked on. There are loads of reasons why and I feel it brings up a lot of positives and of course a few negatives, whether those outweight the positives, that's down to everyone's opinion .

Some positives;

• Brings in a more mature playerbase that are looking for a structured server which have a whitelist for Police.
• People complain about the Police so much, this way we can properly make sure it's all controlled.
• Gives us the opportunity to 'pick and mix' and be as creative as we want, making ranks and different units.
• Adds a whole new roleplay experience when inside the Police Department, working for promotion and joining different units.
• Police can be trusted with more equipment and powers.
• Having the Police Academy server where training will be conducted and officers can attend courses.

All in all, it's a completely new feature for the server which should hopefully attract a lot of people. Of course it has it's negatives! This is a chance for the server to develop and let the community attract a far more mature playerbase. The whole roleplay experience when being an officer will be ten times as better, being able to advance through the ranks, having different equipment and powers and the opportunity to join different units like traffic and S.W.A.T, plus people being able to help out in the Police Academy and helping with applications and interviews.

essentially to become a police officer they will have to have outstanding law and rule knowledge which they won't.

This is not true at all! People will be let onto the Police with answering behavioral styled questions, once in the Police Department as a Probationary Officer, that's the Police Academies job to train them to have that law knowledge.

You can have a few months of outstanding roleplay with whitelisted cops, for an unstable future in perpheads.

Little unsure on this! Mind explaining a bit more @Liam? I'm assuming you mean this won't last long? Of course the future can only tell! However with the preparation and theory being put in now, that's what this is preventing. We're working towards making the Police Department self sufficient, hence why the Police Academy with the Police Training Officers have been set up so they can assist with applications and interviews.




I kinda didn't want this released to the entire community but I guess it would be nice for everyone to see - last weekend the Police Supervisors had a meeting which brought up a lot of things regarding the whitelist and the whole meeting itself just showed the potential of the Police Department: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Oxq7M699T-yGs9Lr7q6Gz48eh8xojGHhcSRwlv8dYCk/edit


A lot of this work is going on behind the scenes and nothing official has been said which is probably why most people are skeptical about the idea, not to mention this is a very controversial idea, however, we appreciate the replies here. I hope people understand ideas like this are just trying to benefit the server! People are constantly complaining about the ill-mannered roleplay from the Police, how else can it be fixed?

 

[Blicky]

Personally I feel that overall whitelisting cops is something which will overall benefit the RP on the server. Firstly, as you've already stated it should eliminate people who go cop and don't know the laws they just searched up the specific laws they needed to pass the rank tests. Currently most of the cop player-base doesn't usually consist of people who have been here for a very long time it's mainly newer players who want to get about the city, learn new stuff etc etc. However, these cops usually don't have a good enough knowledge of the laws to enforce and actually apply them to situations, they don't know the map well enough to actually respond to emergency's and in the majority of cases the government radio as a whole is just a big aids fest.

If the police force was whitelisted and along with the relevant training for example, map knowledge, laws and firearms training and testing from the police academy the police force can be a lot more organised, a lot more efficient and overall a lot less terrible, who knows they might actually be able to raid @Garo.k without getting killed all the time?

Before I say my next few thoughts on the matter I just want to remind you this is my own personal opinion and in no way is this a fact or anything like that but currently I feel that there is no roleplay between players much any more especially within the government roles of the server for example, if you simply ask someone why they have boarded windows they will most likely either

A) Not open the door
B) Open the door and tell you to fuck off
C) Shoot at you through the door

or something along those lines and a good 85% of the time when this happens you will see in OOC, "Oh my god I was only coming to ask you a question" or "Fuck's sake there's no RP here anymore this isn't a serious RP server" and like I said to @Slayerduck many people complain about how there's no RP on the server anymore all it consists of is growing and shooting cops or selling guns, however when members of the community and staff members actively try to promote and encourage RP and actually dedicate their time to training these officers and players on the server correct ways to RP people complain and state they don't want it and that's something I won't understand.

Whitelisting the PD also creates a lot more opportunities for members of the community to actively become involved directly with the server in terms of quality of roleplay too and in my opinion I feel that it's a fairly good idea, of course it has it's negatives that have been stated already but overall I think it will be a good addition to the server, for now at least.

TL;DR: This stops most of the aids that occurs within the police force, yes it has it's negatives but I think it will benefit the server for now.

 

[DELTA]

I joined the server and really didn't enjoy growing drugs or crafting, or anything alike for that matter.

John Riddle taught me well on how to be a police officer and that's the reason I stayed.

 

[Chrissy]

The only thing that stood out to us was the fact that from the minute you play the server you can do what the hell you like.

Is this the reason behind all of your bans and warnings? I get your point though, you can have a really varied time on PERP if you put some effort in (protip: growing isnt effort).

I sometimes like to go SWAT when I'm bored,.

Anyway, I think you're being very shallow minded about this. To put it bluntly, I don't think you're in the right place. You and @Hazza56 appear to be looking for DarkRP where it takes 0 effort to do anything and you can print your money all day and join the elite club of internet badmen.

It's serious for goodness sake. We're not going to take it to the extremes of HL2RP where you have to have been born on a specific date and time and be mates with the owners to become cop. We're introducing a bit of quality; and dare I say it a challenge?
It's quite sad that long standing members such as yourselves just grow and raid, even when you do go police you put 0 effort in. If you don't put anything in then you don't get anything out.

Besides which, it's not going to be impossible for people to go cop, it just means that they're screened a little bit before hand. It works for countless other servers with shittier devs and support in similar game modes so why won't it work here? I literally can't get my head around how you equate screening who we let go cop, a role where you should be good at RP with an increase in poor RP?

 

[DELTA]

Something that I taught of after reading the above post is that maybe supervisors should have the ability to see how much playtime the other officers have, as so to make it easier for them to tutor and teach certain officers.

 

[Liam]

Is this the reason behind all of your bans and warnings? I get your point though, you can have a really varied time on PERP if you put some effort in (protip: growing isnt effort).

Anyway, I think you're being very shallow minded about this. To put it bluntly, I don't think you're in the right place. You and @Hazza56 appear to be looking for DarkRP where it takes 0 effort to do anything and you can print your money all day and join the elite club of internet badmen.

It's serious for goodness sake. We're not going to take it to the extremes of HL2RP where you have to have been born on a specific date and time and be mates with the owners to become cop. We're introducing a bit of quality; and dare I say it a challenge?
It's quite sad that long standing members such as yourselves just grow and raid, even when you do go police you put 0 effort in. If you don't put anything in then you don't get anything out.

Besides which, it's not going to be impossible for people to go cop, it just means that they're screened a little bit before hand. It works for countless other servers with shittier devs and support in similar game modes so why won't it work here? I literally can't get my head around how you equate screening who we let go cop, a role where you should be good at RP with an increase in poor RP?

Well, from this reply it seems you may of felt a little bit disheartened as you've tried to take digs at me and @Hazza56

I looked at it from more than 1 perspective I've labelled some reasons why people may want it then I've added why I believed that i shouldn't whereas you have just gone all out negative - when I say that you could do what you want I did not mean that you can run around shooting everyone for no reason I meant role play wise, when first joining the server the only thing that really stood out was the amount of police cars and police officers around the City. I'm just worried that it will make the server's player base unstable in the future, that is all.

I don't just 'grow' and 'raid' that is extremely wrong. If you ask anybody that knows me I'm 90% against raiding which is why in my organization is is a major rule, due to essentially most people I am going to be raiding are new which I do not like but yeah I do power grow all day which is the true bit of that statement, but some people enjoy being wealthy and being able to purchase anything that they want and being able to show off for their long time here. And thing thing is, when I do go Cop I do not put minimal effort in; I do try to make sure people who I am role playing with do have an enjoyable experience, you've role played with me yourself and must know that I'm not complete retard.

I think that it will help in the short term and not in the long term, because look at the level of new players nowerdays they need complete help or they never join the server again; they join -> play for a while and then get either raided or mugged when they finally establish themselves in the slightest way so essentially the one thing they do, is go and become a police officer. How the whole police force is hasn't turned out that bad now has it? We have a high amount of people that do know how and what to do as an officer with being aids.

This is true! The whitelisting of the Police Department is being worked on. There are loads of reasons why and I feel it brings up a lot of positives and of course a few negatives, whether those outweight the positives, that's down to everyone's opinion .

Some positives;

• Brings in a more mature playerbase that are looking for a structured server which have a whitelist for Police.
• People complain about the Police so much, this way we can properly make sure it's all controlled.
• Gives us the opportunity to 'pick and mix' and be as creative as we want, making ranks and different units.
• Adds a whole new roleplay experience when inside the Police Department, working for promotion and joining different units.
• Police can be trusted with more equipment and powers.
• Having the Police Academy server where training will be conducted and officers can attend courses.

All in all, it's a completely new feature for the server which should hopefully attract a lot of people. Of course it has it's negatives! This is a chance for the server to develop and let the community attract a far more mature playerbase. The whole roleplay experience when being an officer will be ten times as better, being able to advance through the ranks, having different equipment and powers and the opportunity to join different units like traffic and S.W.A.T, plus people being able to help out in the Police Academy and helping with applications and interviews.



This is not true at all! People will be let onto the Police with answering behavioral styled questions, once in the Police Department as a Probationary Officer, that's the Police Academies job to train them to have that law knowledge.



Little unsure on this! Mind explaining a bit more @Liam? I'm assuming you mean this won't last long? Of course the future can only tell! However with the preparation and theory being put in now, that's what this is preventing. We're working towards making the Police Department self sufficient, hence why the Police Academy with the Police Training Officers have been set up so they can assist with applications and interviews.




I kinda didn't want this released to the entire community but I guess it would be nice for everyone to see - last weekend the Police Supervisors had a meeting which brought up a lot of things regarding the whitelist and the whole meeting itself just showed the potential of the Police Department: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Oxq7M699T-yGs9Lr7q6Gz48eh8xojGHhcSRwlv8dYCk/edit


A lot of this work is going on behind the scenes and nothing official has been said which is probably why most people are skeptical about the idea, not to mention this is a very controversial idea, however, we appreciate the replies here. I hope people understand ideas like this are just trying to benefit the server! People are constantly complaining about the ill-mannered roleplay from the Police, how else can it be fixed?

I totally understand where you're coming from with your positive points but I feel that in the long run it will benefit the server in a negative way but I feel that it will only benefit the server in the short run not the long run which worries me. I believe that if cops ARE white listed that the player base will be effected in the long run. I sounded extremely strongly against this in my first post, this idea isn't all that bad I guess but I'm personally against the idea. @Jordan I just thought it would of been good for the whole community to have their say, this isn't me trying to sabotage any kind of ideas you have because I know you're not retarded when it comes to these things and neither is @Chrissy but it is always best when you listen to the community because after all, if it wasn't for the community there wouldn't be PERPheads.

 

[John Daymon]

I think it's gonna work very well, I've been a bit unsure if I actually want to keep going as a cop as after all the radio is currently aids, it's something that annoys me a lot and I've been trying to take notes on who's abusing the radio and who's not, and the list is gonna be sent out, however with a whitelist there is not going to be any real issues with the radio as after all we do have PTO's now and other divisions

 

[Deleted member 3902]

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[Panda]

When the board of supervisors was created I quit playing as a cop. I quit hl2rp because I cba to make applications. One question to @Jordan though. If somebody would apply to become an officer would he have to be one actively?

 

[Swiper]

Well, from this reply it seems you may of felt a little bit disheartened as you've tried to take digs at me and @Hazza56

I looked at it from more than 1 perspective I've labelled some reasons why people may want it then I've added why I believed that i shouldn't whereas you have just gone all out negative - when I say that you could do what you want I did not mean that you can run around shooting everyone for no reason I meant role play wise, when first joining the server the only thing that really stood out was the amount of police cars and police officers around the City. I'm just worried that it will make the server's player base unstable in the future, that is all.

I don't just 'grow' and 'raid' that is extremely wrong. If you ask anybody that knows me I'm 90% against raiding which is why in my organization is is a major rule, due to essentially most people I am going to be raiding are new which I do not like but yeah I do power grow all day which is the true bit of that statement, but some people enjoy being wealthy and being able to purchase anything that they want and being able to show off for their long time here. And thing thing is, when I do go Cop I do not put minimal effort in; I do try to make sure people who I am role playing with do have an enjoyable experience, you've role played with me yourself and must know that I'm not complete retard.

I think that it will help in the short term and not in the long term, because look at the level of new players nowerdays they need complete help or they never join the server again; they join -> play for a while and then get either raided or mugged when they finally establish themselves in the slightest way so essentially the one thing they do, is go and become a police officer. How the whole police force is hasn't turned out that bad now has it? We have a high amount of people that do know how and what to do as an officer with being aids.



I totally understand where you're coming from with your positive points but I feel that in the long run it will benefit the server in a negative way but I feel that it will only benefit the server in the short run not the long run which worries me. I believe that if cops ARE white listed that the player base will be effected in the long run. I sounded extremely strongly against this in my first post, this idea isn't all that bad I guess but I'm personally against the idea. @Jordan I just thought it would of been good for the whole community to have their say, this isn't me trying to sabotage any kind of ideas you have because I know you're not retarded when it comes to these things and neither is @Chrissy but it is always best when you listen to the community because after all, if it wasn't for the community there wouldn't be PERPheads.

Thanks for the reply Liam. I'm glad you're not seeing all negative, that's what worried me! What we all need to remember, changes to the server are not irreversible; we're on a game where we can revert stuff if necessary, it would be strongly ignorant for us to try and predict the future and assume that there will be negative impacts, even some positive!

I would advise people to just hold their thoughts from this. When this idea is finished being worked on by the Police Board and the developer team, there will be a an announcement explaining everything and somewhere for people to post their thoughts constructively, rather than a poll which does not have any information from our end of the idea. But I'm more than happy to tackle questions here in the mean time!

When the board of supervisors was created I quit playing as a cop. I quit hl2rp because I cba to make applications. One question to @Jordan though. If somebody would apply to become an officer would he have to be one actively?

Well I'm sorry that you decided to do that; mind elaborating why you made that decision to quit playing Police Officer on the server? If so maybe we can fix it. If someone was to apply to become a Police Officer, they would have to be 'active', obviously that word is very bland and there is no specificity with it, we would expect people to try and become officer. Obviously we take into account people wanting to do other things.

 

[DELTA]

I think it would be an extremely bad idea to make a whitelist for cops, seeing as it draws a lot of players to the server and creates a lot of opportunity for them.

Maybe another idea would be to make the police test a bit longer and more difficult?
Most people can pass the test without no knowledge about the server at all.

 

[Chrissy]

y'all seem to think that you've got to have an IQ of 160 to go cop in the new system. All we're doing is ensuring people know what they're doing rather than just being told the answers, we're just taking the process out of the game, which in turn will draw more people to the TS and ultimately to the community because they'll have to get on with people
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y'all seem to think that you've got to have an IQ of 160 to go cop in the new system. All we're doing is ensuring people know what they're doing rather than just being told the answers, we're just taking the process out of the game, which in turn will draw more people to the TS and ultimately to the community because they'll have to get on with people

Also ps if seniors always listened to the community then @Alex_:D would be senior admon

 

[BlitZKrieG]

The point I can't see in this is how are players going to learn to play cops if they can't.

 

[Swiper]

The point I can't see in this is how are players going to learn to play cops if they can't.

There are 5 divisions within the Police Department: patrol, traffic, SWAT, Dispatch and the Police Academy. If successful on your application and interview, you will be placed into patrol as a probationary officer, before you can begin playing on the server you will be invited to the Police Academy server where you will receive an introduction and basic training. After you can prove that you have learnt the basic training you will be whitelisted onto the server, still as a probationary officer. At that point you can only patrol with a Senior officer+, when you're ready you can then apply to do your practical assessment where a Police Training Officer observes you for a couple of hours. If successful you will become a regular officer.

That is a very quick run down of the process. I'm on my phone so I couldn't elaborate.



When I get in from college I'll close this thread and create a Q&A styled thread along with some of the information. It'll save all the dupe questions being answered. Expect the thread in a couple of hours!