What makes you enjoy PVP

[Dekkrior]

I don't, I just want to do community policing and passive rp.

 

[bigsmat]

I enjoy pistol only pvp because its much more chaotic and because this isn't Fallujah Iraq It's a western city.

 

[Spooky Pyro]

The PVP culture (by other players) on this server is straight dogshit and its obscure how some of the people on this server find it fun as it just relies on mass flanking and zerging no actual fun compared to the much more traditional v5 PVP which required skill or some actual plan

This was always the culture. Maybe I’m just too newgen but majority of the top orgs from back then were massive zergs like Legacy and Tax Collectors.

I remember one time me Medium and Katya Love got 11 man raided and we genuinely killed majority just for 3 more to come after flanking pd and kill us. This Zerg mentality has always been a massive part of pvp because it’s simply a guaranteed way of winning; nobody likes losing.

Zerging is practically now required to combat other orgs and pd since the map is massive and other organizations have 15+ people.

I don’t disagree with your argument because there were orgs like MiP, Partabellum, and Grow Inc (made it to top 2 orgs so I count them) that garnerd massive org xp from combat and drugs while only having a set few active members but anyone else relied on numbers. The only reason some people say “V5 was better” is because of nostalgia and their own participation in zerging. The “actual plan” you are talking about probably includes 3 people flanking, 1 as50 posted near the raid , 2 people holding the entrance, and 4 others pushing in.

 

[MJ.]

This was always the culture. Maybe I’m just too newgen but majority of the top orgs from back then were massive zergs like Legacy and Tax Collectors.

I remember one time me Medium and Katya Love got 11 man raided and we genuinely killed majority just for 3 more to come after flanking pd and kill us. This Zerg mentality has always been a massive part of pvp because it’s simply a guaranteed way of winning; nobody likes losing.

Zerging is practically now required to combat other orgs and pd since the map is massive and other organizations have 15+ people.

I don’t disagree with your argument because there were orgs like MiP, Partabellum, and Grow Inc (made it to top 2 orgs so I count them) that garnerd massive org xp from combat and drugs while only having a set few active members but anyone else relied on numbers. The only reason some people say “V5 was better” is because of nostalgia and their own participation in zerging. The “actual plan” you are talking about probably includes 3 people flanking, 1 as50 posted near the raid , 2 people holding the entrance, and 4 others pushing in.

Idk about required it's a RP server i dont think people should regularly be killing PD unless this server has now became Antistasi. Also on a different note i find this whole "the server is dead no one is basing point" straight up stupid as the people who complain about these issues always have like 8 people in their base or are all friends with 90% of the server apparently.

Yes zerging has been a thing however I've never recalled it being this obnoxious to the point where people will zerg the entire server, whinge when others zerg to defend themselves and it just creates mega zergs making the server horrible for everyone. However in V5 orgs were able to do small raids without requiring a quadrillion people however the incredibly shitty pvp on this server is simply a cycle of others simply mimicking how other bigger orgs play and copying them then said big orgs complain when they dont have total control of the PVP aspect of the server.

If you genuinely find just mass flanking cops and spamming as50s fun you maybe don't actually like the challenge of PVP and rather it just being easy. However the things ive listed above makes playing the server as a criminal or cop just a incredibly horrible experience as its not actually recreational nowadays

 

[xdank]

Idk about required, it's an RP server. I don't think people should regularly be killing PD unless this server has now became Antistasi. On a different note, I find this whole "the server is dead no one is basing" point straight up stupid as the people who complain about these issues always have like 8 people in their base or are all friends with 90% of the server apparently.

Yes, zerging has been a thing, however, I've never recalled it being this obnoxious to the point where people will zerg the entire server, whine when others zerg to defend themselves, creating mega zergs that make the server horrible for everyone. In V5, orgs were able to do small raids without requiring a quadrillion people. The incredibly shitty pvp on this server is simply a cycle of others simply mimicking how other bigger orgs play and copying them, then said big orgs complain when they don't have total control of the PVP aspect of the server.

If you genuinely find just mass flanking cops and spamming as50s fun, you maybe don't actually like the challenge of PVP and rather it just being easy. However, the things I've listed above make playing the server as a criminal or cop just a incredibly horrible experience, as its not actually recreational nowadays.

Killing the PD, unless they call the area Code 6, is how I'd imagine most raids resolve, and I'm certain that high-ranked PD players are used to doing that. Counters and flanking remain an ever-present threat, and I'm sure orgs are able to prevent that in their operations. I was never aware that it had not been the case in previous years, or that zerging was a recently resurging phenomenon.

I wish I had the experience to say that mass flanking cops or spamming AS50s is fun. I've only ever operated the thing with ironsights in a Red Team/Blue Team event one time. I can see how it would be overpowering, and having been raided by AS50 users, the wall penetration mechanic gets scary. Seems like it works; would try it if I didn't have the gear fear.

To the point of competitiveness, I personally accept that as a lower-tier PvPer, I will not to reach that same echelon that those more trained and tenured players have, both inside and outside Paralake. Having been raided, I try to internalize those experiences and what I've learned from them to apply them offensively and defensively. The red and black screens are my time to breathe, reflect, and get ragebaited in OOC chat. The best competition is the one you have with yourself.


Despite the setbacks, despite the mechanical issues other players have brought up, and despite personal losses should I be involved in PvP, I return. I do my daily missions when I connect, accepting potential gains and losses as part of the circle of (new) life (rule). Though material benefits may be meager, high-skill players and orgs reap the rewards and prestige of their initial investments and combat. Raids are one of many ways to gamble, and either cards get played wrong or, more often, they just don't fall desirably. Most days I base, I see and accept myself as a free rifle to be stored or confiscated, a cog in the machine of a viscerally cathartic expression. In the end, it is something to be appreciated.

 

[money]

It's not too bad...
I personally don't like that every single house is a bunker of concrete bookshelf fence spotlight spam and, not only does it make for a poor feeling of a "real" city, but, it also turns pvp into peekaboo gameplay when there's a lot of people staring one doorway.
I also am not the biggest fan of bank robberies... I find them boring and bricky and too long at times when certain conditions are met... there really needs to be one more entrance or a way for cops to push sewers or sum...

Apart from that its not too bad i guess

 

[IKEA monkey]

in my opinion getting money is to easy, you get around 200k+ an hour doing coke with chem table. Which is a joke, thats about 10+ rifles an hour. The drug update has been talked about for abit now, but still havent seen much to it.

When people dont have a problem with money, they wont with guns either. People as50 spam, because they can just get more. raiding with 1-5 people sucks because you gotta deal with so much tfu, that doesnt push. Compare to v5 tfu actually pushed even if they died, they had way more balls then v6. its not about Zerging etc, its all about people playstyles, if tfus dont push then you want flankers.

Zerging will never be stopped unless smt steps in, but people zerg because dealing with so many cops sucks, especially if they dont push.

i mean this is atleast my opinion for it.

PLEASE I BEG RELEASE THE DRUG UPDATE AND MAKE GUNS MORE EXPENSIVE!!!

 

[MJ.]

in my opinion getting money is to easy, you get around 200k+ an hour doing coke with chem table. Which is a joke, thats about 10+ rifles an hour. The drug update has been talked about for abit now, but still havent seen much to it.

When people dont have a problem with money, they wont with guns either. People as50 spam, because they can just get more. raiding with 1-5 people sucks because you gotta deal with so much tfu, that doesnt push. Compare to v5 tfu actually pushed even if they died, they had way more balls then v6. its not about Zerging etc, its all about people playstyles, if tfus dont push then you want flankers.

Zerging will never be stopped unless smt steps in, but people zerg because dealing with so many cops sucks, especially if they dont push.

i mean this is atleast my opinion for it.

PLEASE I BEG RELEASE THE DRUG UPDATE AND MAKE GUNS MORE EXPENSIVE!!!

I find this statement about flanking just blatant BS as cops aren't mean to rush in like brainlets? It sounds like you're just complaining that cops on this server rush in and die 5% less (people still rush in and die like idiots?) Literally saw some random don on cop just run into a fire and die like a idiot

Long PD raids also did happen on V5 also the statement about Zerging I feel if you're raiding with 8-12 people insta kill ejecting the bearcat with G3's and just mass flanking simply just picking people off thats not even cause killing cops is "hard" you just want to find something to be easy

 

[Ragnarock]

I like pvp but not in this caveman old game where shooting feels like holding a 100kg gun underwater constantly fighting fps drops on this unoptimized pos plus server did this to not have sweaty e sporters tryharding too much which they still do sometimes.

 

[Cap.Phillips]

I don't. This game isnt made for Pvp and it shows very well. It actually confuses me seeing how much some people love the pvp in this game. I wonder what would happen if they played CS or some other FPS

 

[IKEA monkey]

I find this statement about flanking just blatant BS as cops aren't mean to rush in like brainlets?

well, people need flankers when cops dont peak nor push, you as a raider peak the cops or push the cops. chances are your gonna get shot by 5 different cops. It was an example of reasoning behind needing and wanting flankers.

It sounds like you're just complaining that cops on this server rush in and die 5% less (people still rush in and die like idiots?)

i was purely just saying my opinion on the matter, being able to get free rifles/guns that you keep after dying, and your playing like you lose everything when dying is rather boring. having to play against do a 3v15+ sucks, when the cops not peaking nor pushing, while outnumbering someone.

Long PD raids also did happen on V5

I am not denying this, as i had my fair share of long raids with pd etc etc, but they had the actual balls to have a more aggressive playstyle rather then sitting in a corner and waiting for raiders to push out. It could also be because v6 feels like a really open map, and not many people wanna peak due to peaking a milion different angles, but thats my opinion.

also the statement about Zerging I feel if you're raiding with 8-12 people insta kill ejecting the bearcat with G3's and just mass flanking simply just picking people off thats not even cause killing cops is "hard" you just want to find something to be easy

You leave the bearcat and not kill ejecting it while 8+ people, you will just end up getting picked off, cops use the brute as a bullet proof car, sure some of its use is meant to be around that, but truly if you get kill ejected in the brute, you shouldnt head on drive into a shootout.

its not about the diffiuclty in killing cops, but having a realistic chance of winning. Dealing with 10+ cops each raid, whether or not your 2 or 8, you will still need to deal with alot of cops, if those cops doesnt push you, your gonna have to peak them but peaking 6 cops holding the same angle makes it very unlikley to win the duel.

but i do think i need to state it, i dont play alot of cop so i cant really speak much but from my point of view, playing inside the property is extremely diffiuclt, but again its my opinion.

 

[Jack P]

i dont enjoy pvp, theres too many problems with it

- hit reg is horrible no matter what ping ( .50 going through someone with no dmg more than half of the time ive ever used an as50 )
- audio is horrible (suggestion made -> fix helps -> v6 comes out and audio still bad -> suggestion made -> 1 year passes -> still not fixed -> where the fuck am i getting shot from -> i dont want to play anymore )
- map was not designed with pvp in mind ( yes bro lets make foundry virtually unraidable by adding 9 km sightlines with no ability for counterplay )
- org meta ( base with 999 ally and 999 org member and 999 flankers and 999 cops and 999 civs breaking 3.4 with reports taking 20 min to solve )
- rewards are meaningless ( grow -> harvest -> dry -> sell -> gamble/spend -> repeat ) ( get gun -> use in raid -> die -> ok )
- 90% of pvp is rp-less ( raid and bank spam ), the last 10% are with new players who join the server actually wanting to roleplay
- no true pvp endgame ( you only keep playing this server as a pvper if you have no other games to play ) other than spamming as50s every raid

there would be more rp pvp if raiding wasn't the main way to pvp. the fact is that 90% of players on this server spend their time growing and drying by themselves in a base while tabbed out watching youtube. if you can make more money by not interacting with a single person on the server for 24 hours straight than by actively roleplaying (government jobs, crafting/selling, etc), then there is a serious flaw with the server's progression and something needs to change. this has been a preexisting problem in v5, but exacerbated by how gigantic v6 is in comparison.

Omfg, I could absolutely not have said this better. Although apparently a controversial point, I actually do like the map, but you are correct its absolutely not great for RP, not only is it hugely open, something like slums warehouse is nearly impossible cause theres so many angles people come from, or you just get AS50'ed from the fucking highway by some cunt so far away that you can barely see his head.

Also just the constant desync issues of people seeing you before you see them, hell the amount of times ive been shot by a "Ghost" cause my game hasnt caught up yet is ridicouless, or the spamming of the AS50 which shoots so fucking fast and you barely need to hit anybody to kill them. Other than that practically everything you said aswell which I couldnt have said better.. Lol.

 

[Crunchie]

i dont enjoy pvp, theres too many problems with it

- hit reg is horrible no matter what ping ( .50 going through someone with no dmg more than half of the time ive ever used an as50 )
- audio is horrible (suggestion made -> fix helps -> v6 comes out and audio still bad -> suggestion made -> 1 year passes -> still not fixed -> where the fuck am i getting shot from -> i dont want to play anymore )
- map was not designed with pvp in mind ( yes bro lets make foundry virtually unraidable by adding 9 km sightlines with no ability for counterplay )
- org meta ( base with 999 ally and 999 org member and 999 flankers and 999 cops and 999 civs breaking 3.4 with reports taking 20 min to solve )
- rewards are meaningless ( grow -> harvest -> dry -> sell -> gamble/spend -> repeat ) ( get gun -> use in raid -> die -> ok )
- 90% of pvp is rp-less ( raid and bank spam ), the last 10% are with new players who join the server actually wanting to roleplay
- no true pvp endgame ( you only keep playing this server as a pvper if you have no other games to play ) other than spamming as50s every raid

there would be more rp pvp if raiding wasn't the main way to pvp. the fact is that 90% of players on this server spend their time growing and drying by themselves in a base while tabbed out watching youtube. if you can make more money by not interacting with a single person on the server for 24 hours straight than by actively roleplaying (government jobs, crafting/selling, etc), then there is a serious flaw with the server's progression and something needs to change. this has been a preexisting problem in v5, but exacerbated by how gigantic v6 is in comparison.

The reasons I got bored. It also felt like every update to pvp was a nerf to crim, even if that wasn't the case, which it wasn't, it felt that way because overall it would just turn negative to be a crim player. It also doesn't help that if you pvp with an org you're branded as a braindead toxic cunt.

 

[seamusf678]

i realy wish i could enjoy pvp more but as a member of a small org even at that it is shit, and if you ur solo its unplayable because its almost always the same tryhards on the server that have no intention attal to roleplay all they do is just break raid timer, and 3.4 and spam newplayers and the cheaper apartment basses. becuse of this i almost exclusivly play as a cop nowadays ats its completely unsusptainable to pvp with your own guns and money as growing drugs as a solo or small group you get gangbanged my chud tryhard zergs .

 

[Jack P]

its not about the diffiuclty in killing cops, but having a realistic chance of winning. Dealing with 10+ cops each raid, whether or not your 2 or 8, you will still need to deal with alot of cops, if those cops doesnt push you, your gonna have to peak them but peaking 6 cops holding the same angle makes it very unlikley to win the duel.

Tbh I can understand having to be a shitton of people when theres a LOT of cops, the balancing on this server is really not planned out too well. I understand they wanna focus on the realism that in real life if 1 cop dies or panics you'll be surrounded by a million cops and swat teams, but there also need to be a power balance. Its not fun to solo raid when you know you have to fight 10 cops.

But I can easily say this about raiders too. Ive plenty of times experienced where raiders was aware there was barely any cops and they start raiding 5+ man deep with bigass rifles whilst theres like 4 pistol cops and maybe 1 shotgun cop OR maybe it lucky 1 tfu officer.