The PLPD is a joke

[Jack P]

I actually really miss back in the day when I started as a cop first time. Being a Sergeant actually meant something and there was so much more order, sure there was still a lot of crappy cops but at the same time there was also a lot of order and control. And this thing about "Oh I only wanna do my 2 OR's" don't take a role that requires OR's then.. It's that simple, don't strain yourself. I've always felt bad for these officers trying to proceed and just can't, so I always given like between 15-20 OR's each month basically just to be nice.

Now 15-20 OR's IS a lot and def shouldn't be necessary for everybody to do that, but be a little more open man, do atleast a few more than 2 here and there atleast.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

I actually really miss back in the day when I started as a cop first time. Being a Sergeant actually meant something and there was so much more order, sure there was still a lot of crappy cops but at the same time there was also a lot of order and control. And this thing about "Oh I only wanna do my 2 OR's" don't take a role that requires OR's then.. It's that simple, don't strain yourself. I've always felt bad for these officers trying to proceed and just can't, so I always given like between 15-20 OR's each month basically just to be nice.

Now 15-20 OR's IS a lot and def should be necessary everybody do that, but be a little more open man, do atleast a few more than 2 here and there atleast.

Pd is quite bad now as higher ranking people just stunt others progression in the server via just helping their friends and no one else tbh I rarely see much cpls or sgts give ORS regularly besides very few. People are just lazy and do the bare minimum for a role THEY applied for and its kinda sad ngl

 

[Tilin]

Pd is quite bad now as higher ranking people just stunt others progression in the server via just helping their friends and no one else tbh I rarely see much cpls or sgts give ORS regularly besides very few. People are just lazy and do the bare minimum for a role THEY applied for and its kinda sad ngl

I personally at a point as a SGT, was in a spot whenever I joined people were lining up to demand ORs from me.

This gets annoying. You just want to relax a tiny bit sometimes and not worry about having to observe someone whilst there's 3 shootouts raging everywhere.

I'd much rather patrol with someone and not have to do homework later, especially when the patrol wasn't nothing remarkable to write about.

In all fairness, I don't think anyone is stunted that much. Expecting to get 2-5 ORs just so you can progress from Officer to Senior to Corporal within a month is not something I'd like to see endorsed in any way.

 

[Jack P]

I personally at a point as a SGT, was in a spot whenever I joined people were lining up to demand ORs from me.

This gets annoying. You just want to relax a tiny bit sometimes and not worry about having to observe someone whilst there's 3 shootouts raging everywhere.

I'd much rather patrol with someone and not have to do homework later, especially when the patrol wasn't nothing remarkable to write about.

In all fairness, I don't think anyone is stunted that much. Expecting to get 2-5 ORs just so you can progress from Officer to Senior to Corporal within a month is not something I'd like to see endorsed in any way.

I agree Corporal in 1 month it's like nothing is just annoying to see. But there are times I've spoken to people who'd been struggling for long ass time just to get 1, because again I understand and completely support not wanting to constantly do OR's but the bare minimum every single month is just ridicouless at that point lol.

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

I personally at a point as a SGT, was in a spot whenever I joined people were lining up to demand ORs from me.

This gets annoying. You just want to relax a tiny bit sometimes and not worry about having to observe someone whilst there's 3 shootouts raging everywhere.

I'd much rather patrol with someone and not have to do homework later, especially when the patrol wasn't nothing remarkable to write about.

In all fairness, I don't think anyone is stunted that much. Expecting to get 2-5 ORs just so you can progress from Officer to Senior to Corporal within a month is not something I'd like to see endorsed in any way.

Well tbh man what I have learned about this community is there is never a middle ground with something its always too much or too less and people would complain about anything regarding that be rules, property space jeez just about anything so anything you do is always "worthless". This always annoys me tbf

 

[SomeUser]

So I was having a brainstorm with @Wescott regarding this and I came up with something I just need to u know ask my command team and that to start something as the overall sentiment is that everything geared more towards shootouts, New players think this is normal quaility of policing has gone down so I came up with something (Might have stolen the operation idea from traffic sorry ) but my thought to start off with is an operation regarding higher ranks in the PD doing OR's for lower ranks


"Operation - Waypoint

Brief Overview​

The goal of this operation is to establish a link between higher ranking officers and lower ranks that might have just come into the PLPD / Don’t play PLPD often

Why is this important?
So I feel like this is important based on multiple factors, first of all I feel like as higher ranking officers we have an ability to help where able, as we are experienced PLPD staff I feel like its worth everyone's while to try PD and enjoy it.

Lately I have noticed a negative sentiment regarding PLPD and both its officers and its status as a whole, Part of this reason is because the PLPD lately since the launch of V6 Many have noticed that the quality of roleplay and interaction with PLPD officers has been very limited towards shootouts and not really much else, Part of the problem is the fact of how there are plenty of new and existing officer that do not possess the right mindset and or knowledge, and this leads to less interaction with people within the department and overall lower quality officers.

Also see https://perpheads.com/threads/the-plpd-is-a-joke.70225/page-4#post-508563 (It is this post) For the inspiration behind this"

Thats just an little exert from a doc i created looking to have a think about how to pitch this but as a patrol trainer I do hear this stuff and while there so much I can do, I can atleast try to make PD enjoyable for someone

(Also open to feedback - But DM me privately)

 

[Elias Burning]

it doesn't help when every single person you try to arrest/talk to treats you like a subhuman and calls you a pedophile when you give them a ticket for parking illegally

low quality interactions from people spread like wildfire, to the point where i just ignored some people because it was more trouble than it was worth, maybe a bit more RP has to be enforced overall because a lot of officers also have this issue,

giving my two cents, i haven't played on the new map at all really but from the sounds of it nothing has gotten better

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

it doesn't help when every single person you try to arrest/talk to treats you like a subhuman and calls you a pedophile when you give them a ticket for parking illegally

low quality interactions from people spread like wildfire, to the point where i just ignored some people because it was more trouble than it was worth, maybe a bit more RP has to be enforced overall because a lot of officers also have this issue,

giving my two cents, i haven't played on the new map at all really but from the sounds of it nothing has gotten better

Ye interactions on cop just aren't fun people just treat you like shit and bitch at you for things THEY done and would rather spend minutes arguing under gp than leave a shootout. Nothing has changed

 

[Caveric Jonson]

Ye interactions on cop just aren't fun people just treat you like shit and bitch at you for things THEY done and would rather spend minutes arguing under gp than leave a shootout. Nothing has changed

Thats perp in a nutshell these days

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

Thats perp in a nutshell these days

Like genuinely playing cop for more than a hour or 2 genuinely gets depressing cause people genuinely just treat u like gum on their shoe bro. Like its either
1. Blackscreen sim
2. Get belittled and rdmed for no reason
3. Harassed by some guy playing since u 5 begging for a supervisor
6. Mass minging

Or all 6 like its not fun there's a reason everyone who has tfu sits in heavy gear all day and does nothing else because there's no incentive besides money farming like sorry for all the bitching recently but as someone who's gave cop maining to run away from the toxic environment of crim maining this is 10x worse as you can escape the losers on crim however you cant on cop you just have to cope like a minimum waged employee

 

[Caveric Jonson]

Like genuinely playing cop for more than a hour or 2 genuinely gets depressing cause people genuinely just treat u like gum on their shoe bro. Like its either
1. Blackscreen sim
2. Get belittled and rdmed for no reason
3. Harassed by some guy playing since u 5 begging for a supervisor
6. Mass minging

Or all 6 like its not fun there's a reason everyone who has tfu sits in heavy gear all day and does nothing else because there's no incentive besides money farming like sorry for all the bitching recently but as someone who's gave cop maining to run away from the toxic environment of crim maining this is 10x worse as you can escape the losers on crim however you cant on cop you just have to cope like a minimum waged employee

but PD mains are bad Tarone we are the problem

 

[Tarone Idrin (mohammed)]

but PD mains are bad Tarone we are the problem

I tried pd maining i get the bitchy pd main stereotype but like I understand why I would be a bitch everyday when faced the consequence siting on Spotify all day dying every 5 minutes and also for the dumbest stuff ever just isn't fun especially with people being horrid (consistent minging, bitching from random people). Pd is overbearing as crim for sure however the idea of pd is too opp is just a lie to be honest thats kind of the point you're not meant to win....

 

[Lushi]

Yesterday, I tried playing as a cop for the entire day for the first time. My experience was surprisingly nice, mainly because I didn’t respond to shootouts. Instead, I patrolled the city and responded to other types of incidents.


I met some interesting individuals that gave me hope that there’s still real RP on the server. I think being a cop can actually be fun if you avoid shootouts or respond to them only rarely, because otherwise it just turns into a black screen simulator. Instead, try to roleplay the cop properly - not just run around shooting people.

 

[MalekIsWeird]

Am I alone if I say that it seems that MAYBE the PD could use a Whitelist rather than a Pop Quiz.

OR

AT LEAST if we had our officers REQUIRED To attend mandatory training to emphasize a unanimous Standard Of Operations and Expectations

I truly think that either would probably do something to help improve the disregard Officers show towards minor crime or non-shootouts.

What I am saying sounds may sound radical and I completely understand that, as is usually many of my ideas and suggestions Lol, but I truly don't see why not? Albeit I am open to feedback

My logic here is genuinely straight forward. When Command is more HANDS ON, Shit gets done. Therefore, If the Role of Chief; Assist. Chief, etc.. start playing a more exemplary role to set themselves up as the ideal examples then it could possibly motivate the lower ranking officers to follow that example otherwise they may not be whitelisted / promoted at all.

I think when the server pop is discussed, the value of quality can be somewhat possibly overlooked in turn for quantity when even just ONE officer can easily destroy a group of raiders given the proper skill set. So would it be too far to claim that maybe lifting up the barrier to entry in general for the purpose of raising the expectations and standard of quality is extreme? Maybe officers who are approved personally by Command will be able to bypass the process but otherwise, I truly don't think its healthy for the roleplay to just allow every. single. person to hit up a pop quiz then be expected to provide top notch quality rp.

Promotions should be so much more merited. Getting a Senior Officer rank seems like it might just be too easy unlike before. One reason I suspect may be the cause is that ORs are nowhere as strict as they should be, the System itself just leaves it up to interpretation and its super easy for someone's friend to just hand out a good OR without any real commitment to their claims then a couple weeks later you got a Senior Officer. Sure that person passed the process to get to that stage, but what my point is is are we ok with that process being as it is? truth be told, I am not the first one to amongst people who have worked as Supervisory that it is questionable if SO's can be trusted any more than a normal officer in their knowledge capacity or competence at least sometimes.

 

[Jack P]

it doesn't help when every single person you try to arrest/talk to treats you like a subhuman and calls you a pedophile when you give them a ticket for parking illegally

low quality interactions from people spread like wildfire, to the point where i just ignored some people because it was more trouble than it was worth, maybe a bit more RP has to be enforced overall because a lot of officers also have this issue,

giving my two cents, i haven't played on the new map at all really but from the sounds of it nothing has gotten better

Just give them max time and max fine for the sentence when they do stuff like that.

 

[Caveric Jonson]

Just give them max time and max fine for the sentence when they do stuff like that.

I always do personally. not gonna reward bad behavior with a reduced sentence lol

 

[Tilin]

I agree Corporal in 1 month it's like nothing is just annoying to see. But there are times I've spoken to people who'd been struggling for long ass time just to get 1, because again I understand and completely support not wanting to constantly do OR's but the bare minimum every single month is just ridicouless at that point lol.

Most of the time the struggling officers struggle for a reason.

 

[Tilin]

Am I alone if I say that it seems that MAYBE the PD could use a Whitelist rather than a Pop Quiz.

Tried that. Was fine for some time, then PERP almost died.

 

[Allen Kennedy]

it doesn't help when every single person you try to arrest/talk to treats you like a subhuman and calls you a pedophile when you give them a ticket for parking illegally

I used to just call them a slur back. Them were the days.

 

[HarryThompson]

Why cant you do that now