The PLPD is a joke

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Hello everybody, I am here once again to give my unsolicited opinion on the forums.

This one's been brewing in my brain creases for a while. I was a part of the PLPD when we first started making the full move to PLPD online (ask any IA investigator about the spreadsheet, it was traumatising,) and I've noticed that the quality of officers has seriously deteriorated.

I want to make it clear, by no means is this the fault of any specific member of the department. All command members work for free to help run this thing and I'm grateful there are still people dedicated to the project. This is, in my opinion, just a part of a wider problem.

Firstly, let's talk observation reports. They're ineffective at actually judging the effectiveness of any officer. A majority of the time, an officer who wants one can barely even get a corporal+ who's interested in writing one. I've heard "I've already done 2 this month" more often than I could count. There is no ability to recognise officers for a single act of good policing. Back in my day, we had commendations, which were able to be issued for either a single notable act or an entire patrol. I feel these should be brought back, in conjunction with patrol reports, so that CPL+ isn't so "burderened" by the horrors of writing observation reports.

The main issue I have is that all cops are way too shootout hungry. Officers will literally drop anything they're responding to if a shootout comes up, leading to a lack of actual decent policing and just a constant TDM between police and zerg criminals. Only a handful of officers both enforcing traffic laws, and barely anyone can roleplay for shit. It's all just measuring what you can do against policy and as soon as an arbritrary policy threshold is crossed, doing that thing. The radio is basically just people screaming over each other about the latest shootout and nobody could give a shit about anything less. A lot of the time, TFO are essentially permanently geared in some form, and will never deal with anything except a shootout. What's the point in being a police officer if you don't do any actual police work?

There's seldom any tactical thought put into anything either. Pistol cops are so hungry to be the one to get the kill that they rush into properties and get shot before even firing a bullet. Breaches are predictable and sluggish and nobody holds a perimeter anymore.

The PLPD was never perfect, but we used to have a lot more officers who cared about the little things. Who would be reasonable and try to roleplay as somebody who actually valued their life. Supervisors used to carry authority and actually cared about the behaviour of lower ranked officers.

The whole culture feels like it's shifted. There's probably no solution, because this isn't just a police problem, but rather a wider issue with the quality of roleplay on the server.

Idk, rant over, thank you for coming to my ted talk.
 
exrobite said:
The main issue I have is that all cops are way too shootout hungry. Officers will literally drop anything they're responding to if a shootout comes up, leading to a lack of actual decent policing and just a constant TDM between police and zerg criminals. Only a handful of officers both enforcing traffic laws, and barely anyone can roleplay for shit. It's all just measuring what you can do against policy and as soon as an arbritrary policy threshold is crossed, doing that thing. The radio is basically just people screaming over each other about the latest shootout and nobody could give a shit about anything less. A lot of the time, TFO are essentially permanently geared in some form, and will never deal with anything except a shootout. What's the point in being a police officer if you don't do any actual police work?
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Here's the thing, every time we do something that's closely related to something that isn't shootouts we get ridiculed by civilians and other players because we're causing the smallest fucking inconvenience for them. I've gotten to the point where I don't even want to respond to shootouts anymore because it's a constant repeat every single time of people just rushing in to die. I used to be a menace back on V5 because I'd camp the offramp stop sign from city intersection to make sure people were following the law. You can't believe how many people run it continuously and still proceed to bitch insult and or curse me out because they got caught doing a minor traffic violation.

Some days I feel like perp is just straight up a GTA 5 online session where people take the smallest regards to traffic laws because #1 they know must cops don't' give a fuck or two #2 there's no harsh punishment to discourage how they drive.

Even as a senior officer, I had already had enough from just for today when I was on for a few hours. Because of the amount of the constant repetitive shootings that occur. Instead of me doing the smart thing when I wasn't thinking straight I ended up shooting a sweater who beating cops with their fist no thinking about switching to my less-lethal (that is probably gonna result in me being sent on a temporary extended vacation from the PLPD)

Bottom point is that you're right when it comes to the roleplay aspect it simply doesn't exist anymore as it used to and there's flaws from both sides not just one.
 
Last time I responded to anything that wasn't a shootout, I had to deal with two IA's on me, both denied, but still a ball ache

I don't feel like wasting my time responding to anything else when I'm going to have to clip everything and deal with a million IAs afterwards
 
exrobite said:
Back in my day, we had commendations, which were able to be issued for either a single notable act or an entire patrol. I feel these should be brought back
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You still can do this with observation reports, its outlined in the OR Guidelines. You can see an example or two on my profile from when I was a lower rank.

exrobite said:
The whole culture feels like it's shifted. There's probably no solution, because this isn't just a police problem, but rather a wider issue with the quality of roleplay on the server.
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This has been a problem for ages unfortunately, and obviously covers the large majority of the community. I’ve tried suggesting some changes to try and steer RP back in the right direction like basic org guidelines but there doesn’t seem to be any support behind the scenes. If you have any ideas, you can dm me and I can try to push it through (This goes for anyone)
 
exrobite said:
A lot of the time, TFO are essentially permanently geared in some form, and will never deal with anything except a shootout. What's the point in being a police officer if you don't do any actual police work?
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I'm sorry but this is kinda funny. The server revolves around pvp and that's 90% of what cops have to deal with. Most of the time if you try to RP a scenario, people really ruin it and try to find a singular loophole to accuse you of a policy break. Everything either escalates to "Get me a supervisor" or people telling you to hurry up because they're busy. You can observe this by pulling people over for traffic violations, they're not interested in talking, most of the time it goes like "hurry up and give me the ticket". Add to this that people are just assholes when dealing with cops and struggle to show decency and you'll see why no one wants to deal with anything non pvp related
 
Exana said:
I'm sorry but this is kinda funny. The server revolves around pvp and that's 90% of what cops have to deal with. Most of the time if you try to RP a scenario, people really ruin it and try to find a singular loophole to accuse you of a policy break. Everything either escalates to "Get me a supervisor" or people telling you to hurry up because they're busy. You can observe this by pulling people over for traffic violations, they're not interested in talking, most of the time it goes like "hurry up and give me the ticket". Add to this that people are just assholes when dealing with cops and struggle to show decency and you'll see why no one wants to deal with anything non pvp related
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Ye tbf any non pvp reaction just leads to someone whining over basically nothing or having some unreasonable shit. That's kind of why I hated cop cause people would just rulebreak (shoot you for confiscating guns and really childish shit) for no reason or they would call for supervisors for no reason
 
The meta is to sit in PD garage in heavy gear doom scrolling Instagram reels until a shootout happens. Anything else in my experience is driving around with nothing to do, engaging in shit roleplay, dealing with extremely disrespectful/annoying players in general, or some guy trying everything in their power to ruin your day with IA bait.

For ORs, I do agree something needs to change and it's been actively and thoroughly discussed many times amongst command members. Many others share the same sentiment, hopefully something is enacted soon.
 
In terms of the ORs. I've spoken about it several times both publicly and behind closed doors.

They are ineffective. There is a handful of officers that actually do them correctly and truthfully, the rest are just pure bs and painfully trying to dodge any criticism, to avoid any bad blood.

Throughout my time back in the community, all I heard most supervisors say is that they do their 2 ORs and then don't want to patrol with lower ranking officers for that month.

And that creates a problem. In the OR patrol, people are expected to peform as a leader and not observe a leader. No one gets a chance to even learn. So what they end up learning is the bare minimum to progress and no other things. No investigative skills, no RP skills.

And because supervisors actively avoid lower ranking officers, even if they don't ask for ORs, they never interact with them much other than to "grade" them on their performance.

And the vicious cycle continous until the bare minimum cops become supervisors by nagging for ORs daily until they are lucky enough to bullshit their way in, because no one truthfully observed them well anyways.
 
Tilin said:
In terms of the ORs. I've spoken about it several times both publicly and behind closed doors.

They are ineffective. There is a handful of officers that actually do them correctly and truthfully, the rest are just pure bs and painfully trying to dodge any criticism, to avoid any bad blood.

Throughout my time back in the community, all I heard most supervisors say is that they do their 2 ORs and then don't want to patrol with lower ranking officers for that month.

And that creates a problem. In the OR patrol, people are expected to peform as a leader and not observe a leader. No one gets a chance to even learn. So what they end up learning is the bare minimum to progress and no other things. No investigative skills, no RP skills.

And because supervisors actively avoid lower ranking officers, even if they don't ask for ORs, they never interact with them much other than to "grade" them on their performance.

And the vicious cycle continous until the bare minimum cops become supervisors by nagging for ORs daily until they are lucky enough to bullshit their way in, because no one truthfully observed them well anyways.
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I've said time and time again to everyone I meet that ORs are completely a waste of time, there is no quality control to them unless it's coming from a reputable SGT+ or CPL. People just want to hit their 2 OR requirement for the month and be done with it. I really hope real reform comes to Observation reports, because as is it's an incredible time consumer and nearly de-moralizes anyone who has to do them each month. It needs to be simplified most definitely. I myself see very little players helping new officers, I go out of my way to help newer ones when I can. However that doesn't speak for the majority of players, they usually tend to give ORs to people they like patrolling with. I don't have any solution to the issue, but a real convo needs to take place about changing this system for the future.
 
The main problem I see within the PLPD for a while, they are giving corporal and sergeant positions to anyone who applies with good Ors. 90% of the new ones aren't very good. I've seen many situations where Cpls and Sgts are making mistakes a senior officer shouldn't make. I've had at least 2 new Sgts asking me if road crew or firefighters are gov employees or not, not having their guns out during a hostage situations. Just dogshit things a corporal or above should never make. I'm not sure if they have had internal stuff change or not, but it should go back to what it was before. when you had to be one of the best senior officers or best Cpls to have a good chance to rank up.

Most people, the second they get SO, apply for corporal on cooldown until they get it. I think people who are Senior officers should be there for a while, playing for a decent amount of time before trying to progress.

About the problem with ORs, they are cancerous to write. When writing ors, you repeat the same 10 lines over and over. "The officer showed great communication during a vehicle pursuit when he took the lead." "This officer showed his great leadership at slums, where he took the lead and instigated very well.". I like patrolling with new officers, but whenever I do, I just get begged for an OR, and they are just annoying to write.

A lot of people just get on perp raid 2 times, and when they're on cooldown, do bank. then repeat. That's just how some people are on perp, and this goes for cop as well. people log on, get in heavy and wait for shootouts, or pistol cops just driving around looking for any reason to shoot anything that moves.
 
Right im ngl imma drop my thoughts however disagree however you want this is just my opinion, the PLPD is fucked, but crim is just as bad, First of all the OR system really does need changing, I know myself, When people ask me for OR's its a feel by ear basis, sometimes i will sometimes i wont, Correction most the time I won't, I try and be fair to people for example I know myself for example I was impressed by a new player officer when i patroled with them, they genuinlly impressed me, however and imma be perfectly honest, those are very few and far between as the last time I did that was for someone else new was 4 months ago.

Im defo an example of how not to do OR's if im honest, i could do better i know this myself, I feel like the problem is 2 fold of the writing and doing the OR, which is like 3/4 of the puzzle, I know for example i do not mind writing (even thought my english is like a todler on crack) however its the constent I need to do this that and the other, I feel like ORs are a little bit too formal, They dont let the OR reciever shine, its is also the same song and dance of spawn die with no actual meaning behind it, as much as I like to shoot people, that not all I want to do on perp, if i want to just shoot and turn my brain off, I will play payday, destiny, halo ect and numerus ammount of games.

I have also noticed coming from a supervisor+ possition that alot of command members don't really do OR's, they dont need to but imo they should lead by example, I know a few members that if you ask them they will give you one not an issue but some don't

I know people have mentioned the RP, I agree, People can be who they want in a RP situation however sometimes it gets a joke, like for example now since I got IA bombed any little moment, every single kill, any interaction I have to record, because people spam IA like its a secret weapon, Like its the thing to make the bad PD man go away.

Theres more thoughts but I just feel like the monotiny of spawn die, to getting asked to do OR's when I just want to play, to writing them, To forgetting who there name was so I have to go bach through my archives and find it, To figuring out if an officer needs improvement and in all honesty 9 / 10 that OR was boring af
Thats just me tho
 
Yeah, ngl i like to do a bit of RP but it gets annoying cuz i get hit with a "stfu you sperm" anytime i try to issue ANY authority. Dont get me wrong I love RP but it does get old when they start IA baiting.
 
exrobite said:
Hello everybody, I am here once again to give my unsolicited opinion on the forums.

This one's been brewing in my brain creases for a while. I was a part of the PLPD when we first started making the full move to PLPD online (ask any IA investigator about the spreadsheet, it was traumatising,) and I've noticed that the quality of officers has seriously deteriorated.

I want to make it clear, by no means is this the fault of any specific member of the department. All command members work for free to help run this thing and I'm grateful there are still people dedicated to the project. This is, in my opinion, just a part of a wider problem.

Firstly, let's talk observation reports. They're ineffective at actually judging the effectiveness of any officer. A majority of the time, an officer who wants one can barely even get a corporal+ who's interested in writing one. I've heard "I've already done 2 this month" more often than I could count. There is no ability to recognise officers for a single act of good policing. Back in my day, we had commendations, which were able to be issued for either a single notable act or an entire patrol. I feel these should be brought back, in conjunction with patrol reports, so that CPL+ isn't so "burderened" by the horrors of writing observation reports.

The main issue I have is that all cops are way too shootout hungry. Officers will literally drop anything they're responding to if a shootout comes up, leading to a lack of actual decent policing and just a constant TDM between police and zerg criminals. Only a handful of officers both enforcing traffic laws, and barely anyone can roleplay for shit. It's all just measuring what you can do against policy and as soon as an arbritrary policy threshold is crossed, doing that thing. The radio is basically just people screaming over each other about the latest shootout and nobody could give a shit about anything less. A lot of the time, TFO are essentially permanently geared in some form, and will never deal with anything except a shootout. What's the point in being a police officer if you don't do any actual police work?

There's seldom any tactical thought put into anything either. Pistol cops are so hungry to be the one to get the kill that they rush into properties and get shot before even firing a bullet. Breaches are predictable and sluggish and nobody holds a perimeter anymore.

The PLPD was never perfect, but we used to have a lot more officers who cared about the little things. Who would be reasonable and try to roleplay as somebody who actually valued their life. Supervisors used to carry authority and actually cared about the behaviour of lower ranked officers.

The whole culture feels like it's shifted. There's probably no solution, because this isn't just a police problem, but rather a wider issue with the quality of roleplay on the server.

Idk, rant over, thank you for coming to my ted talk.
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You're goddamn right, I dont do shootouts a lot, but when I do I always try to lead the situation or make plans overall at least. However nobody listens, most of the people prefer to just go alone one by one and try their luck like its just a arcade game. Just because of this I tried doing different things tbh, doing DUİ checkpoints, some good roleplay stuff. I feel like theres a lot of supervısors and the rank is now easy to achieve.
 
The Peak said:
The main problem I see within the PLPD for a while, they are giving corporal and sergeant positions to anyone who applies with good Ors. 90% of the new ones aren't very good. I've seen many situations where Cpls and Sgts are making mistakes a senior officer shouldn't make. I've had at least 2 new Sgts asking me if road crew or firefighters are gov employees or not, not having their guns out during a hostage situations. Just dogshit things a corporal or above should never make. I'm not sure if they have had internal stuff change or not, but it should go back to what it was before. when you had to be one of the best senior officers or best Cpls to have a good chance to rank up.

Most people, the second they get SO, apply for corporal on cooldown until they get it. I think people who are Senior officers should be there for a while, playing for a decent amount of time before trying to progress.

About the problem with ORs, they are cancerous to write. When writing ors, you repeat the same 10 lines over and over. "The officer showed great communication during a vehicle pursuit when he took the lead." "This officer showed his great leadership at slums, where he took the lead and instigated very well.". I like patrolling with new officers, but whenever I do, I just get begged for an OR, and they are just annoying to write.

A lot of people just get on perp raid 2 times, and when they're on cooldown, do bank. then repeat. That's just how some people are on perp, and this goes for cop as well. people log on, get in heavy and wait for shootouts, or pistol cops just driving around looking for any reason to shoot anything that moves.
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Have to agree with this honestly, the quality of supervisors has massively declined and it feels frustrating for other officers, like me when I apply for SGT and get denied but I watch current serving SGTs do shit like this
There is also just too many of them, I get on duty and half the people I see are CPL+, just again showing too many shitters are being let in
 
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