Remove the organisation forum rule

[The Strange Deranged Mage]

https://perpheads.com/threads/forum-organization-changes.11998/

Let's go over some things regarding this before it's cut down to heavy facts.

• The rule is barely enforced.
• The rule is heavily disliked.
• Some staff have went on a sit down strike and refuse to enforce the rule.
• The rule makes little to no sense in terms of how it is to be followed, executed, and done by the people of this community.
• The rule heavily biases Criminal RP and the many people who follow it, this can even be a case of forum rule 1.2
• Bolli or Fredy have shown signs of removing negative ratings from the main forum post.
• Nearly all organisation pages will be affected or downright removed due to this rule.

Before I begin my own head paragraph I want to quote some good and powerful fellows who disaprove of the rule.

• What is your point?
  You and your staff team have been shutting down that KKK page constantly, there is a real one right there for you, meeting ALL your conditions, but that is not shut down, is it?

@Sir CaptainSpaghetti makes the claim that the rule was made due to the creation of the KKK organisation, that even the real KKK website follows the new forum rule.

• I don't really see what this change has accomplished regarding having an actual good experience in the community? All it's really done in my opinion is completely ruin a big part of organisations which was probably one of the most fun parts. Now that this rule has been implemented there's not really any good way for people to define between organisations because they're all the same, bland page with a big chunk missing out of them and introducing this has ruined a lot of creativity and fun within the community. This is honestly one of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time and this has pretty much ruined the organisation section. Why not just change the title to Legal Businesses? It's not like it can be used for much else other than that anymore. I honestly don't see why you decided to ruin a system which people have put many hours of effort into because one dim-witted individual decided to make an offensive org page.
  
  Also; there's no need to remove the dumb ratings - we're expressing our opinion of it being dumb.

My good friend @Hazza56 makes a claim related to mine, the organisation pages will be bland and uncreative with the rule. Also saying that they are removing negative ratings.

• Like most people have said it literally removes 50% of the fun within organizations, your page on the forum literally represents the whole organization one of the best things about it was you could put WHATEVER you wanted on there, the freedom was amazing and now you've turned it into some boring page that'll have a few nicely edited pictures on there with a few rules, because what else can you put on there?

@Liam makes the related response of a lackluster org page, he also claims that the rule violates the freedom of making an org page.

I somewhat agree that this was a little too far, All that should have been done was the forum rules enforced on the org pages, So that there was no disrespectful behavior etc, Now people who have done nothing wrong are losing out because of one person who decided to make an extremely disrespectful org.

Although I'm grateful at least that something was done about this and appreciate your effort Bolli.

I do however think org pages should be still able to post about activities as long as it complies with forum rules etc.

@LEWIS 088 makes the claim that the rule is very unnecessary and normal forum rules should be enforced on the org forum more often.

• I'd like to point out
  
  https://perpheads.com/threads/growing-association.11925/#post-88965
  https://perpheads.com/threads/crafting.10575/page-2#post-88930
  https://perpheads.com/threads/la-cosa-nostra.4781/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/scandics.11995/#post-88931
  https://perpheads.com/threads/olsen-banden.11378/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/the-bakassi-haram.8310/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/illegal-industries.11021/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/the-armenian-mafia-re-opened.11481/#post-86996
  https://perpheads.com/threads/the-butcher-family.11661/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/the-imperial.11646/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/the-standish-family.10679/
  https://perpheads.com/threads/red-wings-org.11624/#post-86793
  
  All discuss illegal activities within their forum posts, along with around 80% of all the other organisation pages.
  
  Let's be honest Bolli, I don't think this is going to be enforced is it.

@AyJay amount one of the most talented photoshop experts in this community claims that so many org pages will be affected or removed. Also saying that it's being barely enforced.

With most of quotes from the main page against the keeping of the rule in check, I might think the truth would'be sunken in by now. But to some extent, you may remain loyal to rule, or maybe simply neutral towards it. I cannot encourage you to change your alligence.

But to all who fight it, we can wish ourselves the best of luck this thread will be accepted.
For I can encourage all to obey the rule, follow staff orders, and not break any other forum like I did.

May PERPHEADS live long and prosper.

 

[Minilarro]

In my opinion, this rule isn't something negative or anything, but I feel like removing stuff from this part of the forum due to this rule is a bit silly, as you're then removing things that could be used as evidence in character through OOC means. It would be okay if police could remove it, but that can't happen due to obivious reasons. I would rather have it that players may post as they like in this forum section, but it can be used as proof/etc. in character for e.g the police force. This is, as said, already done to some extent, but having it so videos/screenshots/pictures/threats/claims of illegal activity/etc. can be proof to some degree.

Thare are pictures of beheaded people on the internet, it's realistic, ja?

 

[Sir CaptainSpaghetti]

Cheers for the shoutout babe.

I appreciate you making this, it's honestly ridiculous that they made such a drastic change without even telling the staff team...
I just hope that they can see reason and change this horrible excuse for a functioning policy.

 

[galactacus_jones]

I completely agree with this. I think to prohibit illegal activities being shown on org pages entirely is very excessive and completely unnecessary. The system has been used just fine for a long time before now, and that whole concept suddenly changing is pointless and unneeded.
At the very most, if a system like this is going to be implemented, members shouldn't be shown on org pages if there is any directly incriminating material on the org page. To prohibit illegal activities from being mentioned on pages is completely unnecessary and the changes should atleast be made less controversially and not just change an entire system that people have put many hours of their time into making overnight. I myself have been working on an org page which has taken up quite a lot of time - and for the entire thing to be rendered useless because of a new rule being implemented overnight is just more annoying and frustrating than actually good.

 

[Fredy]

The rule is barely enforced.

You are wrong. It is not enforced YET.

The rule is heavily disliked.

Sure it is, that's because people don't understand what the rule actually means.
One of the reasons we had to add a rule like this was that before, there was no rule about org threads. That means that the forum rules apply, which means that most org posts (especially responses) would be currently against the forum rules anyways.

Some staff have went on a sit down strike and refuse to enforce the rule.

I don't know anyone who has (since it's not being enforced yet??).

The rule makes little to no sense in terms of how it is to be followed, executed, and done by the people of this community.

Yes it makes perfect sense. Orgs are an IC thing so org threads should be as well. Blatantly announcing you are going to commit crimes is a problem, since it would mean the police has enough reason to arrest you for simply being in that org.

@AyJay amount one of the most talented photoshop experts in this community

Citation needed

Nearly all organisation pages will be affected or downright removed due to this rule.

[AyJay] claims that so many org pages will be affected or removed.

And that's all it is. A claim, with no evidence to back it up. In fact almost all of those org pages already follow the rules (or only need minimal changes to comply with the new rules). AyJay hasn't even looked at 90% of the org threads he quoted:
I will give you a list of changes needed for each org:

https://perpheads.com/threads/growing-association.11925/#post-88965

The only change needed is to replace this: "completing illegal activities"

https://perpheads.com/threads/crafting.10575/page-2#post-88930

No changes needed

https://perpheads.com/threads/la-cosa-nostra.4781/

No changes needed (maybe rule 6)

https://perpheads.com/threads/scandics.11995/#post-88931

Only the video might have to be removed

https://perpheads.com/threads/olsen-banden.11378/

Needs to be reworked

https://perpheads.com/threads/the-bakassi-haram.8310/

No changes needed (anymore)

https://perpheads.com/threads/illegal-industries.11021/

No changes needed (even though the name is fucking dumb)

https://perpheads.com/threads/the-armenian-mafia-re-opened.11481/#post-86996

Maybe change the rule that says don't steal drugs.

https://perpheads.com/threads/the-butcher-family.11661/

No changes needed

https://perpheads.com/threads/the-imperial.11646/

Maybe slight rule changes

https://perpheads.com/threads/the-standish-family.10679/

No changes needed anymore

https://perpheads.com/threads/red-wings-org.11624/#post-86793

Maybe change the serious blood phrase, but disbanded anyways.


So to sum this up: Out of all the 12 organizations AyJay linked, 1 needs some serious changes and would likely be removed if they decided not to change it. The rest is mostly perfectly fine and the small changes I mentioned wouldn't take away anything from the org threads.
Now obviously some of these orgs also need to remove some OOC things on the page as well, but that's not as serious for the moment. I'd also like to note that only obvious mentions of illegal activities are a problem, so saying "we will grow some plants in our backyard" is completely fine, while saying "we are gonna go around and mug the infidels" isn't.

 

[Ayjay]

I'd just like to point out my post was merely made as a joke, and I've never fully expressed my actual opinion of this 'rule' or whatever has been added. I don't play the server anymore, meaning it does not really affect me but my thoughts on it are as below.

I don't believe this will impact us in as big of a way as you guys are making out, we've had all this over what.. a few changes to organisation posts? I feel @Jordan said it the best, people who join the forums and click on 'organisations' see "KKK" and other stupid organisations which in my personal opinion shouldn't be allowed to be there in the first place thus should be deleted are going to recieve a negative vibe from the server.

The reason this 'rule' has been added is to preserve the amount of roleplay on the server and fourms and make the organisations fully IC and not OOC, meaning that joining an organisation via the forums or viewing information about it should be completley in-character.. myself I agree with that? Let's think about a real-life organisation such as a gang, they don't go around telling people that they smoke the dank kush, or kill cops constantly do they? Your organisation page is an advertisement of your in-character organisation, why would we mix OOC and IC together in a post like this?

Roleplay is already broken enough as it is on PERPheads, why would we deter it even more by allowing OOC discussion on an in-character post. In my personal opinion, the changes are welcome and you guys will understand that in the long run.

Raise one valid point why this rule should be removed, please.

 

[Niko]

I'll go ahead and repeat what I told Bolli yesterday:

I sort of understand why everyone disagrees with the new organization forum rule. People enjoy the freedom and don't like being censored.
But at the same time, I only see people trying to make their dicks bigger by bragging about their criminal activities, posting videos of them 'wrecking' other orgs and their members, trying to see who can be the most offensive and best at waving their dick around.

Do the easy and simple thing: Don't blatantly tell everyone about your criminal activities on your org page, or share any videos of criminal activities on other's.
If it was to be IC, without any kind of censoring (i.e. not mentioning criminal activities), you should expect police to come raiding 24/7 and arresting all your members, to which people will most likely scream "NLR" or "METAGAMING" at, despite it being IC and available to the public at all times.

Also, if you think that this rule is "taking away all the fun" or "the entire purpose of org threads", then you need to go somewhere else and fill up your ego. Properly role-play on the server instead of stroking yourself while claiming to be the best killing machine on organization threads.