WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR IN 2019 (uk)

[Deleted member 1235]

@Inchs I don't think Corbyn himself is anti semetic. But his inaction has led to the party becoming more tolerant of it. They're the only party to be investigated by the equalities and human rights commission besides the BNP.
Sure you can be critical of Israel, but that's far too often used as an excuse to criticise the Jews as a whole. I won't sit here and list the countless examples of anti semitism from Labour councillor, supporters etc but it's all there with a simple Google.

 

[Deleted member 6228]

@Duffy oh no, a racist is in the conservative party that makes them all racist!! Sure corbyn could have done more to shut it down, but having racist party members does not mean he is himself a racist. If we are going by those ideals everyone in the conservative party is against muslims

 

[Deleted member 1235]

@Fredy I don't think Boris is perfect just as you don't think Corbyn is. When in office he'll be held accountable by the supreme court, as he already has been before.

The IRA these days is virtually non existent and obviously nothing compared to what it was during the troubles. However, how can someone struggle to condemn their actions on a radio or TV interview. If you were Muslim and I asked do you condemn ISIS and you struggled to give a clear answer, it will raise serious questions.

He's not a supporter of the British armed forces, every mention of the IRA he has to talk about the crimes of the Brits as well (which I accept did happen, but no way near the scale of the IRA). There's videos of him saying he wants to end cuts to public services, except in the army where he wants to see more cuts.

Even during the Salisbury poisoning he wanted to send the sample back to Russia and get them to clarify if it was there's. That's like me as a cop finding a murder weapon and seeing it's registered to someone, then sending it to them in the post to see if it's there's.

Austerity has fucked millions I won't deny that, Cameron pushed it through and I'd never supported him myself. Only now has the country improved compared to the state it was in 2010.
Those saying that all Tories hate the poor are as retarded as those saying all Labour supporters are Communists or that all MPs are pedos. Emotion politics, nothing else.

 

[Puma]

@Fredy is right! Supporting a tory government is the equivalent to getting kicked in the balls by a horse. Vote labour and bless stormzy

 

[Deleted member 1235]

@Inchs I literally just said I don't think he personally is anti semetic?? If a sizeable majority of that party have those views then there is a issue. A sizeable portion of UKIP are racist even if the party leaders deny it.
Yes islamaphobia exists in the conservatives, but it's no way near the level of anti semitism in Labour.

Any criticism or highlights of anti semitism gets put down by Labour voters and Israeli funded propaganda. Even after the recent terror attack people were calling it a mossad cover up

 

[Exnem]

I always imagined some poor guy's perp home got blown up by 20 bombs off screen and his cocaine is coming flying across screen.

 

[Fredy]

@Duffy The IRA thing is just a complete distraction because it will not have any impact on anyone. And guess what, Corbyn will be held accountable by the supreme court too, great argument.

Please tell me how Boris cares about the working class and intends to make their life's better (other than lol he will get them migrants out lmao). Because if you can't then your entire response was just really blatant concern trolling

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Not to mention my father served in Northern Ireland in 1983, and was present at the Harrods bombing in the same year. My mother was in the TA and my Grandfather fought to found Israel with the British Army in 1948, so these issues are close to home

 

[Deleted member 1235]

@Fredy If you want to go into specifics then read their manifesto. There's the minimum wage increase (year on year).
They introduced the help to buy scheme in 2013 which helps first time buyers get onto the property ladder.
You've also got the Northern Powerhouse (which will be different to Cameron and Osborne's vision of it afaik) with infrastructure investment outside of London. A promise of £14 Billion in education with £5000 min funding per secondary school pupil.

The IRA thing is not irrelevant, but as a non Brit I wouldn't expect you to know that. Sure relations are better now than before 1998 but Stormont has been vacant for months, there's been a increase in armed attacks and ambushes on PSNI officers.
To say oh well is a insult to the thousands who fought in the troubles. It's like the West Germans electing a former Nazi in 1949 and being like 'oh well the Nazis don't exist anymore and there's no more war so who cares'

 

[Fredy]

@Duffy I don't care about you equating everything with Nazis, the IRA are not Nazis and Corbyn is not part of the IRA so your analogy makes no sense. I also don't give a shit you trying to shame me for supposedly insulting people who fought in the troubles. It's clearly all just trying to distract from the actual arguments.

A minimum wage increase that is barely higher than inflation is not really a minimum wage increase and Labour plans to increase it a lot more than Conservatives.
Help to buy was introduced by Cameron and might help people buy houses (although not sure how much the working class actually profits compared to middle class/upper class). Anyways, that is a policy introduced by Cameron, where is Boris' policies like that, because we are debating whether or not to vote for him not Cameron.
Northern Powerhouse is also Cameron btw.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

@Fredy The sentiment remains the same, you really don't understand Britain. I'm trying to contextualise it for you seeming as you have no idea the impact the IRA has on the UK, not just in NI.

You asked me about how the conservatives are trying to help and that's what I've said, you didn't ask the leader.

They've promised not to raise Income Tax, VAT or NI contributions, and doubled the personal tax allowance. All benefiting low income workers.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Not to mention Johnson outlined in a speech in Manchester the desire to have the cities of the north be as well connected as those in the South east with London. A underground system as well funded as the Tube is in London etc

 

[Fredy]

@Duffy nice gatekeeping with the constant claim that I don't understand Britain. I don't care about the IRA because it's not relevant at all. The only reason it might ever regain some relevance is because of the kind of Brexit Boris wants to implement.

Promising not to do something doesn't really benefit anyone. In fact I don't think any labour politicians want to raise the VAT.
Also raising income tax can actually benefit the working class when you just increase the income tax only above a certain threshold and use the gained revenue to invest in systematically fucked places.
This part of their promise is only a gift for the rich because they won't get their taxes increased either.

I also think because of how laser focused you are on Corbyn it is only fair to also ask you how Boris will do anything for the working class and to show me that he actually cares about them, so please do that.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

@Fredy How on earth are you expecting me to show him personally caring? Do you want pictures of him sleeping with the homeless or in a soup kitchen or something?
What makes Corbyn the mother Theresa all of a sudden? He's privately educated and MP for one of the wealthiest constituencies in the country. He's nothing but a champagne socialist. I'm not saying Johnson is the man of the people, but at least he doesn't pretend to be the average Joe like Corbyn.

The IRA is relevant, you're a idiot if you think otherwise. If someone is so easy to be friendly with them, who knows who else he might get into bed with.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

But hey, the German studying computers or whatever it is clearly knows more about British politics than the British person who's been studying it for over 6 years. All of your knowledge is second hand, from articles online and TV.

Maybe if you actually lived in the UK you'd understand some of these issues better.

 

[jjjackier]

@Inchs Social Democracy, not socialism lmao but you were close.
to all the british niggas that agreed: yall wish you could be here but instead you're in bumfuck beans and toast NHS crisis politics fuckfest called the UK lmao eat my ass

and glacial you live in bumfuck mexico damn bro

 

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[Deleted member 4983]

there's a difference between social democracy and democratic socialism.

"Democratic socialists" are still socialists, Democratic Socialists of America want property rights abolished.

Social Democracies are still among the least regulated economies in the world.

Norway is literally sitting on liquid gold, it's obvious that they're going to be happy.
Venezuela was among the happiest countries before oil prices tanked.

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Sweden literally became the richest country in Europe largely due to laissez-faire policies.
When they implemented democratic socialist policies in 1970 their economy tanked.

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We will give workers an ownership stake in the companies they work for, break up corrupt corporate mergers and monopolies, and finally make corporations pay their fair share.

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Similar to bernie sanders' retarded plan.
You don't deserve a say in my company because you can put a fucking piece of graphite into a piece of wood, fuck off.

 

[Dr. Dräjj]

@Inchs Ok Bernie

 

[Deleted member 5920]

@jimmythehamster

Wanna just sit in a corner and talk shit about any UK government because they won't give us independence?